Ed All 43 videos "Second Hit"" [Explosion]at WTC 2: Plane or No Plane?

[jammonius]

LMAO! "explosion in the wrong place"
where do you think it should be?
on the island in 'lost'?

why in hell would the jet fuel travelling at 590 mph do a u-turn go out the entry hole?
are you comparing the impact to a plane nose diving into the ground where the explosion has nowhere to go but back out the entry hole?

Frank De Martini was the construction manager of WTC, on 9/11/01 he was 5 floors below impact of aa.11 into WTC1 and felt the building sway 20 feet (his estimation)



only the impact of a LARGE aircraft could cause this huge sway.
come on jammy lets hear your theory on this.


I vote: obviously planes.

OK, another debunker video has been posted. Fair enough. This thread encourages posters to post up data and discuss it. However, that said, the video you've posted refers to the North Tower and would have been more appropriate in the Dick Oliver thread, but that is ok, it is still data and still a video that might be useful for discussion.

The referenced video is FUBAR. Here is how it starts, with a completely bogus animation showing a supposed jetliner impact into the tallest steel skyscraper in the world (when built), shedding little debris at the point of impact. True, there was no debris at the North Tower, as per witnesses Chief Cassano and OLPT, but the animation depicts conditions that are not shown to exist. There was virtually no evidence a jetliner crashed into the North Tower, thus the imagery is fubar. What little video there is shows, at best, a blurry blob (Naudet) and nothing at all (Hlava):

In that 9:26 video, not one person quoted who was in the building says they heard or suspected a plane. Not one. Nicole, Frank DiMartini's wife is dramatized as asking "what was it?"

Frank's answer was not given, even though he appears to move his lips, perhaps saying, like everyone else did "bomb" or "explosion."

Basically, I'm not at all sure what this animated, reenactment is supposed to prove??

We can also use this as a convenient place to show another version of the hole in WTC1, namely that of Bob & Bri, that is introduced with Bri saying she heard a loud "boom" making her yet another person within close proximity who did not hear a jetliner, thus adding yet another ear witness to the NO PLANE column:

LMAO! "explosion in the wrong place"
where do you think it should be?
on the island in 'lost'?

The explosion should be at the point of impact.

why in hell would the jet fuel travelling at 590 mph do a u-turn go out the entry hole?
are you comparing the impact to a plane nose diving into the ground where the explosion has nowhere to go but back out the entry hole?

You appear to be engaging in a process of fooling yourself. Were I you, I'd reconsider engaging in that form of blatant rationalization.

Frank De Martini was the construction manager of WTC, on 9/11/01 he was 5 floors below impact of aa.11 into WTC1 and felt the building sway 20 feet (his estimation)

The above is a disconnect from your prior train of thought and is, therefore, a non sequitur. Do you realize that on your own?

only the impact of a LARGE aircraft could cause this huge sway.
come on jammy lets hear your theory on this.

That conclusion is false and does not follow from what you posted.

I vote: obviously planes.

Your beliefs are not being questioned and you are free to vote howsoever your conscience allows you to vote for howsoever long it allows you to do it. And that goes for all other voters.

 

[carlitos]

Train

 

[tsig]

Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

That's 2 votes for PLANE, 1 vote for NO PLANE.

Anyone else care to vote?

Plane.

 

[Dumb All Over]

Thank you, tsig.

11 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[beachnut]

Plane!

Good. Now we're getting somewhere.

That's 2 votes for PLANE, 1 vote for NO PLANE.

Anyone else care to vote?

jammonius delusion is based on fantasy and insane concepts of wheel covers, horse trailers and beam weapons...

I talked to an eye witness who verifies the videos are real!

I VOTE - PLANE verified by eye witness first hand and RADAR after the fact!

PLANE

 

[Dumb All Over]

Thanks, beachnut.

12 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[EventHorizon]

I have about 10 friends (that's a conservative estimate) who saw the second plane hit from the Jersey side of the Hudson. So I vote plane. And so do they.

 

[lapman]

Plane

 

[Dumb All Over]

Thank you, EventHorizon.

13 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[Dumb All Over]

Thank you, lapman.

14 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Those who support the common storyline of 9/11 have repeated versions of what I call the hypnotically implanted suggestion* claiming that "...thousands saw zee plane...."

This trance-like demonstration culminated in the declaration that it is not necessary to prove the claim that 1000s saw the plane,** even though the actual, reliable witness statements show that not to be the case.

<rest of complete gibberish and twaddle snipped>

Jamm, you really are a spectacularly special kind of stupid ... you know that !!!

Lets make this nice and simple for you ... forget your addiction to waffle for a minute.

A car crash ... 10 people witness it in real time with their own eyes.

Three state the car was black.

Three state it was dark blue.

Two think it was green.

Two aren't sure.

~~~

Three think it was a saloon.

Three think it was a smaller car.

Two think it was a SUV.

Two think it was a bus.

~~~

Three think it sounded like a train collision.

Three think it was more like a "bomb going off"

Two think it sounded like a car crash.

Two didn't hear anything ... one is deaf and the other was plugged into a media player.

So within those 10 witness statements there are some inconsistances and differences ... but here's the rub Jammy .... it DOESN'T matter ... for all those 10 witnesses will AGREE THERE WAS INDEED A CAR CRASH !!!

10 people saw in real time with their own eyes a car crash ... a sudden, quick, shocking event (we do NOT in the real world have the benefit of slow motion replay) and nothing can defeat the reality of that.

So yes, Jammy ... thousands, THOUSANDS witnessed in real time with their own eyes a plane.

Some may have seen SLIGHTLY different shapes, colours or sounds ... but NONE of that detracts from the simple reality of it being an aircraft witnessed impacting the Towers.

None of your drivel can ever change the simple factual reality of that.

All you worthless and pointless over-interpreted semantics and pedantry count for nothing !!!

I hate to say this but you truly are a buffon of the first order, and the fact that you "fail" to see you are, and never will, be convincing anyone of your delusional psuedo-intellectualised crud shows you to be especially obtuse too.

Grow up Jammy or see a specialist ... your fooling no-one !!!

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

Would anyone else care to vote?

Vote time.

Plane.

But then again I only inhabit a land known as reality ... like that counts !!!

 

[Dumb All Over]

... like that counts !!!

It does. Thank you, I_Gaze_At_The_Blue.

15 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[jammonius]

I Gaze at the Blue,

Have you taken a look at the video posted in # 371

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5959157&postcount=371

That one includes footage showing the hole in the North Tower, commentary and re-enactments.

Even in the re-enactment, not one person who was present, who either survived or didn't, makes a comment consistent with there having been a plane. Not one.

Here, by the way, is a pretty sharp image of the hole from the video in post # 371. That image is similar to the view that Our Jim Ryanhad, about which he said it didn't look like a plane had hit:

Once again, posters, your beliefs are not at issue.

Do any of you realize you're engaging in a process of "group think" by conducting your poll?

You folks are fooling yourselves, yet again. What a pity.

And I gaze at the Blue, your claim there are 1000s of witnesses is something for which you cannot provide a confirming source. You cannot prove that; and, the reason you cannot prove it is that it is a false claim.

It might be believed, but a falsity believed does not make it true.

You folks are on a roll in re-enacting your commitment to your belief. That belief was never doubted in the first place. Our resident psychologists will easily recognize your tactic as one tht simply confirms your own individual doubts, in all likelihood.

But, yet again, your beliefs are not the issue.

The data awaits your capacity to reason, assuming it isn't drowned out by your need to believe.

OK, that's it for me for today.

When I return, I fully expect your vote count to be at least 75 to 1.

Don't disappoint me

 

[cyclonic]

"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they're okay, then it's you."

its you jamm, it really is you.

 

[TJM]

The explosion should be at the point of impact.

It was. The plane's momentum carried it into the building and it exploded. Thousands saw it with their own eyes.

 

[cyclonic]

jammy said:
"Even in the re-enactment, not one person who was present, who either survived or didn't, makes a comment consistent with there having been a plane. Not one"

 

[BigAl]

plane

 

[Dumb All Over]

Thank you, BigAl.

16 PLANE, 1 NO PLANE.

 

[I_Gaze_At_The_Blue]

And I gaze at the Blue, your claim there are 1000s of witnesses is something for which you cannot provide a confirming source. You cannot prove that; and, the reason you cannot prove it is that it is a false claim.

Have the courage to travel to the place and ask people ... prove it to yourself.

I had family there that day, they saw, they smelt jet fuel, they are not stupid ... they were there ... YOU weren't.

I will believe them, anyday, over you and your inane drivel !!!

And no, I haven't and won't look at your "video" ... listening to your beyond moronic assertions is akin to suffering Chinese Water Torture ... that's what your doing Jammy isn't it ... a relentless drip-drip-drip-drip-drip-drip-drip until you finally get us to admit your right.



Here's a wee hint ... ain't ever gonna happen laddie !!!