Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[DOC]

And yet, the only evidence we have that they were given opportunities were supplied by the supporters of the psychotic who killed them all. Hrm...no wonder it looks like they were all nasty, nasty people.

Of course, since they're all fictional people in any case, I'm not that outraged.

Historian Josephus didn't think Moses was fictional. And to be frank, I value his beliefs about Moses over yours.

 

[Akhenaten]

I don't believe anyone ever answered my point as to whether they would rather receive 10 lashes or spend several years in jail.

Personally I rather receive 10 lashes and be sore for a few days, kind of like a sunburn.

Probably because it's got absolutely nothing to do with evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

Are you hoping that you can derail this thread enough that it will just go away?

Why have you become so fixated on this one tiny and irrelevant point when you've got the whole of the NT to deal with? Is this really the best you've got?

It's pathetic.

 

[Akhenaten]

Historian Josephus didn't think Moses was fictional. And to be frank, I value his beliefs about Moses over yours.

What you value is irrelevant, DOC. The coin here is evidence, and you have none.

 

[paximperium]

I don't believe anyone ever answered my point as to whether they would rather receive 10 lashes or spend several years in jail.

Personally I rather receive 10 lashes and be sore for a few days, kind of like a sunburn.

What do you call an Abuse apologist? Scum.

She said she had many opportunities to escape but did not know where or whom to seek help from.


Nirmala said the first time she was abused was when she accidentally broke a mug while washing it.
“She (employer’s wife) then threw boiling water on me.



“One day, she got upset while I was ironing. She said the clothes had not been properly ironed and slapped me. “She took the iron out of my hand and pressed it against my breasts,” said Nirmala.

http://thestar.com.my/news/nastory.asp?file=/2004/5/20/nation/8016283&sec=nation

 

[paximperium]

Has DOC-boy named a single eyewitness to his Yeshua yet?

So has DOC named a single contemporary eyewitness to Yeshua ben Yoseph(see DOC-boy I even used his real name) who wrote anything down?

What are your excuses now for now answering this simple question?

 

[DOC]

God is supposedly omnipotent, so why would he have to "realize" the situation is "hopeless"? He would know that beforehand...

That would be true if God didn't give people free will and they were programmed robots. But since he did give them free will, it would be impossible for Him to know before hand because that would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction and thus be an absurdity. And even if he had the ability to know beforehand he could always choose not to know in this instance.

 

[paximperium]

That would be true if God didn't give people free will and they were programmed robots. But since he did, it would be impossible for Him to know before hand because that would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction and thus be an absurdity. And even if he had the ability to know beforehand he could always choose not to know in this instance.

Note the multiple contradictions and multiple absurdities.

DOC, have you sued whatever school where you "learned" logic from yet?

 

[paximperium]

Remember DOC-boy.

Oh yes DOC boy, whenever you use "god", you need to put an asterisk next to it and clearly state if you are mentioning Yahweh, the Canaanite god and child of El; Yahweh an early Hebrew god that was married to Ashera; El the lord of the Canaanite pantheon and father to Yahweh; Elohim the name of "god" before Moses(or I as I call him, Momo) and which Yahweh supplanted; Yahweh the Christian lovey dovey god; Yahweh, the Jewish stern father god; Allah, the Islamic god or Monkeypoo, you version of god?

Be very specific.

Remember the asterisks and be very specific.

 

[Akhenaten]

That would be true if God didn't give people free will and they were programmed robots. But since he did give them free will, it would be impossible for Him to know before hand because that would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction and thus be an absurdity. And even if he had the ability to know beforehand he could always choose not to know in this instance.

my bolding


You really are just making this garbage up as you go, aren't you DOC?

Choose not to know? Are you freaking serious? Have you no intellectual integrity at all?

 

[RoboTimbo]

I don't believe anyone ever answered my point as to whether they would rather receive 10 lashes or spend several years in jail.

Personally I rather receive 10 lashes and be sore for a few days, kind of like a sunburn.

I don't believe you ever answered anyone's question about do you believe that it is moral to beat the people that you own.

 

[TSR]

I don't believe anyone ever answered my point as to whether they would rather receive 10 lashes or spend several years in jail.

Personally I rather receive 10 lashes and be sore for a few days, kind of like a sunburn.

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While *I* OTOH would rather not be punished at all for not doing something I did not know was expected of me.
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[DOC]

That would be true if God didn't give people free will and they were programmed robots. But since he did give them free will, it would be impossible for Him to know before hand because that would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction and thus be an absurdity. And even if he had the ability to know beforehand he could always choose not to know in this instance.

Note the multiple contradictions and multiple absurdities...

You should have also highlighted the words "And even if". This implies he can't do it now because it would be an absurdity. But I'm implying that if for some unforseen and implausible way he could then he could always choose not to.

 

[paximperium]

my bolding


You really are just making this garbage up as you go, aren't you DOC?

Choose not to know? Are you freaking serious? Have you no intellectual integrity at all?

DOC's god, monkeypoo, is exceedingly stupid and has the power of a poo flinging monkey. It's as if his god exists only in his limited and stupid-based imagination.

 

[paximperium]

You should have also highlighted the words "And even if". This implies he can't do it now because it would be an absurdity. But I'm implying that if for some unforseen and implausible way he could than he could always choose not to.

So he would not do it because it is absurdity but could do it when it isn't absurd. Wow, it's as if your god has all its power limited only by your little imagination and intelligence.

Which "he" are you talking about? Your god, monkeypoo, or Zeus?
Remember those asterisk and be very specific.

 

[DOC]

my bolding


You really are just making this garbage up as you go, aren't you DOC?

Choose not to know? Are you freaking serious? Have you no intellectual integrity at all?

I'm dead serious, and even the bible supports it by saying God does not remember forgiven sin. He simply could choose not to remember forgiven sin.

ETA

Maybe you can't block things from your memory but God certainly can if he chooses to.

 

[Lucian]

It is not crazy if God gave them opportunities to change their behavior but they wouldn't. God probably realized the situation at that time was hopeless. And remember Christ's parable -- branches that don't produce good fruit will be cut off and thrown into the fire.

That would be true if God didn't give people free will and they were programmed robots. But since he did give them free will, it would be impossible for Him to know before hand because that would violate the Law of Non-Contradiction and thus be an absurdity. And even if he had the ability to know beforehand he could always choose not to know in this instance.

So it was impossible for him to know beforehand that the people would be bad, but he probably knew that the situation was hopeless. That is to say, although it was impossible for him to know, he knew all the children and babies and fetuses and bunnies and lambikins were going to grow up to be hopelessly bad and not worth not killing. Gotcha.

 

[paximperium]

I'm dead serious, and even the bible supports it by saying God does not remember forgiven sin. He simply could choose not to remember forgiven sin.

ETA

Maybe you can't block things from your memory but God certainly can if he chooses to.

Your god can't be omniscient("all-knowing") and amnestic(self induced ignorance). That would be an absurdity.

Woah...that explains everything. Your god is demented.

 

[Lothian]

I don't believe anyone ever answered my point as to whether they would rather receive 10 lashes or spend several years in jail.

Personally I rather receive 10 lashes and be sore for a few days, kind of like a sunburn.

Shame there is no offer of forgiveness. Different religion I guess.

 

[paximperium]

Shame there is no offer of forgiveness. Different religion I guess.

Well. He prefers giving "sunburns" to servants than imprisoning servants against their will because he thinks it is more merciful than having the authorities involved.

 

[DOC]

I don't believe you ever answered anyone's question about do you believe that it is moral to beat the people that you own.

If putting a person in jail for several years for beating several men and beating several woman is moral then giving some lashes for that same crime is also moral because it is a less severe punishment then having to spend several years in jail.