Moderated Views on George Galloway.

Whether you agreed with his views or not, I can't see how you could come away from watching his appearence on Big Brother without coming to the conclusion that he was a thoroughly unpleasent and vile Human being.

His utter, sneering contempt for anyone who shares a different viewpoint is a far cry from notable and worthy defenders of Human rights.

Watching his parade around in a pink leotard while his constituents -some of the poorest in the nation- go without a voice, you realise he's no Aung San Suu Kyi.
 
JihadJane said:
I'd say you are nit-picking, actually, about one isolated incident. Suicide bombing wasn't a tactic used in Afghanistan before the invasion and occupation.
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By that argument nelson's tactics at the Battle of Trafalgar were not tactics used during the napolonic wars.
 
geni said:
By that argument nelson's tactics at the Battle of Trafalgar were not tactics used during the napolonic wars.
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Perhaps you could inform us about the history of suicide bombing in Afghanistan before the Anglo/US invasion and occupation.

Undesired Walrus said:
It's really not. Jihadism is extremely complex, and doesn't come down to either an issue of them being blood-thirsty murderers who are born evil or poor divided people fighting against an unjust enemy. Those are neither of my positions.

(No idea why that is underlined).
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What is your position, apart from that they are not the French Resistance?



Yet the Taliban are deeply unpopular in Pakistan and Afghanistan. If the Taliban cared so much about the murder of those in Pakistan, why do they keep murdering innocent people in their hundreds in Islamabad?

Why didn't the Times Square Bomber go and attack the Taliban?
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Because the US are perceived as death-dealing foreign invaders and occupiers. How could that be?!

Have you found a reference to provide context for Galloway's support for the Russian invasion of Afghanistan yet?
 
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JihadJane said:
Have you found a reference to provide context for Galloway support for the Russian invasion of Afghanistan yet?
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Context? Don't you mean some way to contort Galloway's clear and unambiguous statements to align with your worldview?
 
Ashles said:
It's interesting how you continuously seem happy to disagree with the poistions of others while being so strangely reticent to comment on your own.
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Are you unable to answer my questions?

I guess we'll leave it that I personally find all suicide bombing abhorrent and unjustifiable and you... appear to enjoy arguing for its own sake.
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Do you find other kinds of bombs equally abhorrent and unjustifiable?

lionking said:
Context? Don't you mean some way to contort Galloway's clear and unambiguous statements to align with your worldview?
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Why the personalization?

I mean a record of what he actually said...


Undesired Walrus said:
Incidently, here is Galloway denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre:



And the genocide in Darfur:

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Whatever happened to measured, objective documentation?

Why are these videos made in the style of B-movie propaganda?
 
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What surprises me is that Galloway isn't the only person who stands up against the wars in Iraq and objects to the foriegn policy in Israel. It may be the loudest and most boorish, but to follow him rather than someone more worthy and calm is puzzling.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
What surprises me is that Galloway isn't the only person who stands up against the wars in Iraq and objects to the foriegn policy in Israel. It may be the loudest and most boorish, but to follow him rather than someone more worthy and calm is puzzling.
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No puzzle. Opposition to Israel's existence (which is what Galloway is about, not opposition to any particular policy) and anything the USA does is really a rehash of the 1960s Soviet propaganda. It reminds many people of their "revolutionary" youth.

Naturally they prefer someone who gives them the same good ol' time soviet propaganda without watering it down, complete with support of the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan, of every loony dictator the USA is against, etc., instead of someone who reached his conclusions based on looking at facts (whether or not one agrees with their analysis is another issue).

It's an emotional, not rational, preference -- the same sort of motivation that makes people prefer fundamentalist snake-handling churches to moderate mainline ones.
 
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Undesired Walrus said:
What surprises me is that Galloway isn't the only person who stands up against the wars in Iraq and objects to the foriegn policy in Israel. It may be the loudest and most boorish, but to follow him rather than someone more worthy and calm is puzzling.
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Not if you take note of the Galloway supporters that seem to post here. My brother is a bit of a Galloway fanboy. Once he was shown some of his more ridiculous antics he soon gave up defending him.
 
JihadJane said:
Perhaps you could inform us about the history of suicide bombing in Afghanistan before the Anglo/US invasion and occupation.
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You seem to have missed the point on how Massoud died, yet again.

As to the image of the US in Pakistan, before 9-11, it wasn't particularly good, nor particularly bad, but I never got the impression that they liked America. I got to meet their Chief of Naval Staff back in about 1992. (Or was it 1993?) The interaction we had with his staff, as compared to the people who worked with Chief of Naval Staff from Thailand, was at neutral to wary on their part. The Thais were pretty much open and warm.

It was a fairly short visit and interaction both times, but the difference in tone and atmoshpere was striking. I'd need to dig deeper into memory, but our Congress may at the time have been suspending the release of a couple of old frigates for them that we'd previously promised to simply give them. We were on and off with the Pakistanis over such things for as long as I can remember.

I am personally not surprised to see polls from Pakistan being hostile to America. Since about 2008, the open use of American assets to strike into Pakistani territory, which their government can't control too well, can't sit very well with a lot of Pakistanis. We are foreigners.

This should come as no surprise to anyone.

What is going on, however, is not a popularity contest. It's a low grade civil war within Pakistan, which seems to have spilled over from Afghanistan.

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Galloway does not support the Taliban, neither does he support Hamas, he can often be quoted saying things that can be portrayed as this as he supports peoples right to defense. If that means that an afghanistani whos village has been invaded by occupying forces and has maybe lost some relatives to occupying forces, naturally this person would feel like he has to stop this happening. As a lot of afghanis do. Thus when he fires at troops galloway supports his right to do this, even though troops might classify him as taliban.

I think that most afghanis are a bit confused about why forces are there. The Taliban are awful regressive people but afghanistan was far better under their rule than post invasion. I dont support the Taliban, neither does galloway, he sees them as individuals with rights to defence.
 
Galloway does not support the Taliban, neither does he support Hamas
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Wellllll, Hamas apparently disagrees. So does the Canadian government which banned him from entering Canada for supporting Hamas, after Galloway gave the Hamas-run government of Gaza cars and cash.

How can you, exactly, support Hamas more than by going to Gaza, praising it, and giving it money and cars? That's exactly what, for instance, Iran does.

Apart from actually killing Jews (preferably while blowing yourself up in the process), I mean.
 
Zeuzzz said:
Galloway does not support the Taliban, neither does he support Hamas, he can often be quoted saying things that can be portrayed as this as he supports peoples right to defense.
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What are the Taliban defending exactly? They certainly care little for the suffering of the Afghans.

The Taliban are awful regressive people but afghanistan was far better under their rule than post invasion.
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Quite a statement here Zeuzzz. How do you justify it?
 
Skeptic said:
Wellllll, Hamas apparently disagrees. So does the Canadian government which banned him from entering Canada for supporting Hamas, after Galloway gave the Hamas-run government of Gaza cars and cash.
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Yeah the aid convoy was pretty sucessful, and paid for by the british population. Really helped the palestinians after the war.

George puts his positions on the canada issue rather well in these two clips



Canada ban: Galloway faces his accusers a Jewish Defence League (JDL) "Terrorist"
 
Zeuzzz said:
Yeah the aid convoy was pretty sucessful, and paid for by the british population. Really helped the palestinians after the war.

George puts his positions on the canada issue rather well in these two clips
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Really? You found those clips favorable to Galloway?
 
WildCat said:
Really? You found those clips favorable to Galloway?
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The first video summary:

Interviewer: "What would you say to the charge that you support terrorism?"

Galloway: "The evil JDL is after me! Bush is evil! zionism is evil! I'm not an antisemite!"

The second video summary:

Galloway: "Hamas and Hizbullah are democratically elected political forces".

Yeah, really convincing there.

I fail to see anything in those videos that has Galloway in any way denying the obvious truth -- namely, that he gave money and equipment to a terrorist organization whose openly and repeatedly expressed goal is genocide.
 
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Taking any bets as to how long until Galloway comes out in support of North Korea in the current crisis....unless he has already done so.
 
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