Split Thread How did the jets manage to hit center columns and ground floors?

[Myriad]

You explicitly quoted Bell with

and then went on not answering this at all.

So please: explain to us what the hell the relevance is of AA11 hitting or not hitting some center column?

For example: Does the center column have any properties that its neighbours don't have, other than the aesthetic or honorable property of being, well, in the center? Does it have any special role in the static construction?

A similar question also applies to the cockpit of the plane. What is special about the cockpit that makes it matter so much where the cockpit hits? In terms of destructive projectile power, the cockpit is just an empty space for the pilots to occupy. I'd worry more about where the nose landing gear (a dense cluster of heavy machinery) or the keel at the bottom of the fuselage (the largest and strongest part of the airframe) hit. According to the diagrams posted above, those did not hit anywhere notable.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Seymour Butz]

Thanks

I must say, I was unaware there were people who actually still believed in this nonsense until a few months ago.

Insanity doesn't have a statute of limitations.

 

[The Almond]

Could I add that, as a completely untrained pilot, I flew numerous times with my father when he would let me take control of the aircraft. The actual control of an aircraft (making standard normal turns, maintaining altitude, following a heading, etc) in flight takes, at most, 20 minutes to learn. With minimal practice, knowing nothing about the controls of the aircraft, I was able to navigate a course, determine heading, maintain altitude and identify landmarks on the ground.

Flying an airplane in good weather with perfectly functioning instrumentation and equipment is simple. Ramming an airplane into a building takes little more than the skills I've identified above and some luck. That's it.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Achimspok: I'm still missing what your citation of the center column impact is supposed to signify. What are you getting at?

 

[TJM]

Achimspok: I'm still missing what your citation of the center column impact is supposed to signify. What are you getting at?

Oh, enough of the disinfo! Everyone knows the quickest way to bring down a building is to knock out the center column. The problem is how do you train cavemen from Afghanistan to fly with such precision?? You can't, that's how! No planes hit those towers that day and the flight 175 hologram appeared to hit off center while the center column was blown out on the other side! Just how long will you sheeple keep sleeping??1!

 

[Major_Tom]

Okay, suppose we concede that the center column was hit in WTC1 and that is was being aimed for. What of it?

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

If not when standing still, what about when flying your first commercial airliner?

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

 

[DGM]

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

If not when standing still, what about when flying your first commercial airliner?

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

Your assuming he hit the exact spot he meant to. What is your evidence this was the case?

 

[ElMondoHummus]

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

If not when standing still, what about when flying your first commercial airliner?

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

This has already been pointed out before, and even in this very thread, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

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ETA: Oh, wait, I forgot, it's still up in the air whether Major_Tom is pulling a Poe-type satire or not. Right. My fault.

 

[BigAl]

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

What is the significance of the center column?

 

[alienentity]

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

So they also meant to hit the other tower in a different spot, ie not dead centre? Why would they want to do that?

And why tip the wings instead of flying perfectly level?

Why the differences if there was unerring control of some kind (assuming that is the correct truther theory - who knows what truthers are trying to imply..)

 

[ElMondoHummus]

The problem is how do you train cavemen from Afghanistan to fly with such precision?? You can't, that's how!

You know, there are a couple of cavement out there who're really, reeeeeeealy aggravated by this irrational prejudice of yours.

 

[alienentity]

The perimeter columns at the centre were the strongest, right? That's why they had to go first.

But how come WTC 2 fell first, as it wasn't hit dead centre - shouldn't the stronger centre columns have held it up longer?

Hmmm, but if they really had that type of control, why not just fly exactly where you'd do the most damage and ensure the buildings would collapse? If Major Tom is correct, then you don't need explosives or even imaginary explosives like supernanothermite at all.

Thanks for debunking CD theory.

How come there were guys piloting the flight that crashed in Shanksville? Why was that plane not under remote-control as well? This is all so confusing, these opposing conspiracy theories.

I think the aliens did it, personally. That's the most plausible - only they can dustify steel - that's a fact Judy Woods is covering up.*

*Aliens are known to posses that type of technology. This is just a common-sense fact.

 

[A W Smith]

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

If not when standing still, what about when flying your first commercial airliner?

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

Yeah well uhh tommy boy, I guess you would need to aim at something from quite a distance to find the center of the building. Doncha suppose?

 

[Bell]

Yeah well uhh tommy boy, I guess you would need to aim at something from quite a distance to find the center of the building. Doncha suppose?

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With all due respect... but I don't think so.

But I let Achimspok explain this one by telling us how it is he doesn't bump into a doorpost when he goes trough a door. Or why he doesn't crash head on in oncoming traffic when he is driving a car.

And then he can explain the significance of his claim.

 

[A W Smith]

And funny that the hijackers of flight 175 didn't have the benefit a "marker" to find the center column of the south tower.

 

[beachnut]

By looking at photos of the towers before 9-11-01, could you even identify the center column? The center panel?

If not when standing still, what about when flying your first commercial airliner?

It is obvious that achimspok is showing evidence of a much higher level of control than the pilots are capable of.

It does not mean anything. The terrorists were trained pilots, that is a fact unlike you failed CD delusions made up out of ignorance. Being pilots why would have no problem hitting the WTC, and if they miss they can try again.

All the pilot I flew with the USAF could take a 767/757 and the first time hit a target within inches of dead center, it is like driving your car in the center of the road. The terrorists were flying fast, there is not much to do at those speed when you have aimed properly you will hit the WTC on a day like 911 because the winds were LIGHT.

Your support of achimspok, is amusing and nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. Failure like your paper. Your idea is BS based on ignorance.

The terrorist were poor pilots, they missed the center, I could hit the center to an inch the same way we can drive down the center of a road. Can't you stay on the road or color inside the lines.

The only point you and the spok guy have; you don't know squat about flying.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

The perimeter columns at the centre were the strongest, right? That's why they had to go first.

But how come WTC 2 fell first, as it wasn't hit dead centre - shouldn't the stronger centre columns have held it up longer?

This is the point that blows this whole silly, conspiracy theory talking point out of the water. If you want to make a building like WTC1 or WTC2 fall over you damage it asymmetrically. Hitting it dead centre does less damage than weakening one side.

Of course if both planes had hit one side of the buildings, we'd have CT loonies indulging in exactly the same Texas Sharpshooter logic and demanding an explanation of how the terrorists knew to hit the buildings that way.

 

[WildCat]

I love it when these guys refute their own arguments.


A few questions achimspok:

1) Have you ever piloted a plane of any type?

2) Have you ever been in the cockpit of a plane during a flight?

3) Is landing a plane more difficult than controlling it during flight?

I guess your saying since I'm only licensed to operate a passenger motor vehicle, I'd never be able to steer a school bus into a building.

That's a shame, I always wanted to drive a school bus.

Hey buddy, you better go pro or the rest of us at the Shill Union Local 911 are gonna be paying you a visit if you know what I mean. When you give it away for free you're taking food from our babie's mouths!

And welcome to the forum!

 

[ProBonoShill]

Hey buddy, you better go pro or the rest of us at the Shill Union Local 911 are gonna be paying you a visit if you know what I mean. When you give it away for free you're taking food from our babie's mouths!

And welcome to the forum!

Well I've been accused of being a paid shill by simply using google searches to
debunk the truthers, so in the interests of full disclosure I settled upon this username.

No need to worry though, I'll keep your payouts a secret.

 

[Travis]

Next thing you know someone is going to claim that someone relatively new to driving will be able to keep a car more-or-less between the lines on the highway!

Don't you people remember your first time driving when you ripped the car completely off the highway and took off across a field and got the car stuck in a swamp on top of a stump?