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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Akhenaten said:
Wert I allowed to say, with violent means one's ***servants*** one may treat,
but lowly, unstarred servants such as I must ne'er with lash or rod be beat.
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And verily, the penny doth droppeth!

Perchance manservants are to be beaten by 'man'?

Wouldst thou employ thy left or thy right 'man'?

;)
 
[Graham Chapman]Stop! Stop right there, this is getting silly! We'll have none of that here, this is History, not Humor! We must get back to the Topic At Handtm, namely The Evidencec. So, enough of this beating fetish that has seemed to have cropped up. We must switch over to more banal topics of New Testament Evidence before the cops come pounding in.

Well??? Get ON with it![/GC]
 
Darn! I was enjoying all the discussion of beating servants. I was even taking notes on the off chance that I'll ever have a few servants.:)
 
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Audible Click said:
Darn! I was enjoying all the discussion of beating servants. I was even taking notes in the off chance that I'll ever have a few servants.:)
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If we keep it up with all this servant/slave talk, poor old DOC will have an apopleptic seizure. I suggest we use the code word "off" for either "servant" or "slave" to ease his mind.

It'll be our safe word. ;)
 
Akhenaten said:
An it please thee, Majesty, prithee forgive this thoughtless, misbegotten hurt. My words I wrought unthinking of the grievous harm this low, unseemly tongue doth cause thy tender, shell-like ears, and pray allow'st that I might in some small way make unto thee amends.

Perchance shouldst I unleash some dark, unholy force upon yon uncouth froggie horde thou wilt, as is thy gracious and majestic wont, forgive thine humble servant for this unintended slight?
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Thy gentle words and kingly demeanor do please, O mighty Pharaoh.

However, it might be more to the point if thou wouldst smite that fleabitten Philip and his pestilential armada.
 
Elizabeth I said:
Thy gentle words and kingly demeanor do please, O mighty Pharaoh.

However, it might be more to the point if thou wouldst smite that fleabitten Philip and his pestilential armada.
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I'm a little busy just at the moment with some Hittites, so may I reccomend another of your chaps that I saw in action down my way recently?

Horatio is his name and he gave that Boney fellow quite a time of it. I'm sure he'll see the Dons off in short order.

I'll have the Aten arrange some favourable winds to speed him on his way, but I'm afraid Poseidon is being a bit fractious lately and will probably cause some delay with the tides.




My apololgies to any history buffs reading this. Some liberties have been taken.
 
Akhenaten said:
I'm a little busy just at the moment with some Hittites, so may I reccomend another of your chaps that I saw in action down my way recently?

Horatio is his name and he gave that Boney fellow quite a time of it. I'm sure he'll see the Dons off in short order.

I'll have the Aten arrange some favourable winds to speed him on his way, but I'm afraid Poseidon is being a bit fractious lately and will probably cause some delay with the tides.




My apololgies to any history buffs reading this. Some liberties have been taken.
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You think? :D

Oh, and I'll have nothing to do with that damn'd Horatio. He's always blowing his own horn.
 
Verily, hath I expected not, such an entertaining lack of Topic Discipline at the JREF forum :rolleyes: . Tis more in the manner of our vulgar asides at the Tolkien forum :D .

GB
 
Belz... said:
Servant ? Don't you mean slave ? Or maybe it's worker... I forget.

In any event I know it's okay to beat you.
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kmortis said:
If we keep it up with all this servant/slave talk, poor old DOC will have an apopleptic seizure. I suggest we use the code word "off" for either "servant" or "slave" to ease his mind.

It'll be our safe word. ;)
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No no no.
That's off
DOC says it is okay to beat off.
 
Well, I doubt DOC will return to this point anytime soon, so until he returns with a new set of humbug, I'm off.
 
six7s said:
Are you seriously suggesting that the above list of names somehow supports your goal of providing 'evidence that the historical person Jesus Christ was the Messiah, and the eternal God in the flesh'?...
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Partially does, yes. Read a definition of evidence in post 13; then read my other 1900 posts for additional supporting evidence.
 
DOC said:
Partially does, yes. Read a definition of evidence in post 13; then read my other 1900 posts for additional supporting evidence.
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Did you keep the receipt from that logic course you took? There are dozens of posters here who would back you up in your malfeasance claim against them and an almost endless supply of, dare I say it, evidence.
 
DOC said:
Here is the first definition of evidence according to answers.com:

"A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment"

The things posted in my first post are helpful in my forming a judgment that the NT writers were telling the truth.

And the more evidence we have that the NT authors were telling the truth, the more likely it is that the Resurrection was true.
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Twiler said:
This is not, strictly speaking, evidence; It's just a series of observations concerning the New Testament's coherency.

And given the process of translation, and the time that has passed since it was written, I doubt that present standards can be applied.
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DOC said:
Partially does, yes. Read a definition of evidence in post 13; then read my other 1900 posts for additional supporting evidence.
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Ok, there's post #13, 14 and your most current miss-ive.

So, while evidence most certainly is used to form a conclusion or judgment, it also means that the item(s) are of a certain quality. Your list o' names falls short of evidence once they are actually examined, as has been done previously (by Moss, most recently, and others). So, your list is not evidence for anything other than the claim that you are not interested in presenting evidence that the NT authors....
 
carlitos said:
That's not what the verse says and you you know it, liar. It says that a servant who does not obey his master's wishes may be beaten, and a servant who didn't even know his master's wishes, but doesn't meet expectations, may also be beaten.
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Have you ever heard of the term "in context". You totally ignore the brutal behavior of the servant immediately preceding Christ's statement. Why would he go through all the trouble of such a brutal story if he didn't mean it was for severe wrongdoing.

And in the last part of your statement you ignore that Christ said the servant would be punished to a lesser degree. This happens all the time. If you have promiscuous sex and you didn't know it was wrong and you get a disease, you are being punished even though you didn't know it was wrong. IF you carry a firearm into a state park and didn't know it was illegal to do so, and then get a citation, you are being punished even though you didn't know it was wrong. But if you do it a second time (and thus knew it was wrong) your punishment will probably be worse.
 
DOC said:
Have you ever heard of the term "in context". You totally ignore the brutal behavior of the servant immediately preceding Christ's statement. Why would he go through all the trouble of such a brutal story if he didn't mean it was for severe wrongdoing.

And in the last part of your statement you ignore that Christ said the servant would be punished to a lesser degree. This happens all the time. If you have promiscuous sex and you didn't know it was wrong and you get a disease, you are being punished even though you didn't know it was wrong. IF you carry a firearm into a state park and didn't know it was illegal to do so, and then get a citation, you are being punished even though you didn't know it was wrong. But if you do it a second time (and thus knew it was wrong) your punishment will probably be worse.
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What if you had non-promiscuous sex with your spouse on your wedding night (having saved yourself for marriage) and got an STD. Why are you being "punished" for doing something that isn't wrong at all?

As for context, the second servant, who did not know his master's will, performed deeds which deserved punishment. Luke does not specify what these deeds are. He does not specifically say that this servant beat other servants. Regardless, he will still receive blows.
 
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