Is wicca really an old religion?

Cainkane1

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I've been told that Wicca is a revival of an old European pagan religion but I suspect its just a made up faith. I know for a fact that Pagans sacrificed the reral thing and not chocolatew bunnies.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I've been told that Wicca is a revival of an old European pagan religion but I suspect its just a made up faith. I know for a fact that Pagans sacrificed the reral thing and not chocolatew bunnies.
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I remember Dr. Drew and Carolla on Loveline coming up with an awesome bit about Wicca using the name as an acronym. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like:

White
Introverted
Chubby
Chicks
Association

As to the OP, like most woo-ish things it has some roots in the beliefs of ancient groups, but it's mostly a modern creation.
 
Dancing David said:
It was made about 1928, by the Gardeners with Crowley's help.
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From WP:
In the 1920s and 30s, the Egyptologist Dr Margaret Murray published several books detailing her theories that those persecuted as witches during the Early Modern period in Europe were not, as the persecutors had claimed, followers of Satanism, but adherents of a surviving pre-Christian pagan religion - the Witch-Cult. Despite now being discredited by further historical research, her theories were widely accepted and supported at the time.

It was during the 1930s that the first evidence appears for the practice of a pagan Witchcraft religion[81] (what would be recognisable now as Wicca) in England. It seems that several groups around the country, in such places as Norfolk,[82] Cheshire[83] and the New Forest had set themselves up as continuing in the tradition of Murray's Witch-Cult, albeit with influences coming from disparate sources such as ceremonial magic, folk magic, Freemasonry, Theosophy, Romanticism, Druidry, classical mythology and Asian religions.
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Gerald Gardner's variety of witchcraft turned out to be the most popular.

Cainkane1 said:
I've been told that Wicca is a revival of an old European pagan religion but I suspect its just a made up faith. I know for a fact that Pagans sacrificed the reral thing and not chocolatew bunnies.
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All religions are "made up faiths". I suspect that what you are asking is "Is it ancient?" and the answer is certainly NO.
 
Ah, but you miss the real question here. The real question is "Aren't all faiths really just made up?" (I'll give you a hint: the answer is "yes").
 
TraneWreck said:
I remember Dr. Drew and Carolla on Loveline coming up with an awesome bit about Wicca using the name as an acronym. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like:

White
Introverted
Chubby
Chicks
Association
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Well, that does describe me at the time I was dabbling with wicca. Oh heck, it describes me now.
 
Dancing David said:
It was made about 1928, by the Gardeners with Crowley's help.
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spot on, Crowleys creed was "Do What Thou Wilt", this turned into the "An it harm none, do what ye will" (the Wiccan rede)

So Wicca is like the kids version of Crowleys "Ordo Templi Orientis",

The fact that Gerald Gardner (Wiccan founder) was a member of Crowleys order seems as lost on most Wiccans, as the fact that the first half of the Bible was written by Hebrews is on most Christians

The other interesting fact that as it was Crowley who wrote a charter for Gardner allowing him to initiate new members to his order, that Wicca owes more to the woo espoused by Crowley than anyone or anything else
http://rodneyorpheus.com/?page_id=271

:D
 
TraneWreck said:
I remember Dr. Drew and Carolla on Loveline coming up with an awesome bit about Wicca using the name as an acronym. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like:

White
Introverted
Chubby
Chicks
Association

As to the OP, like most woo-ish things it has some roots in the beliefs of ancient groups, but it's mostly a modern creation.
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Here is the 'Official' Wiccan acronym:

White
Isolated
Chubby
Chicks
And
Nature​

FTW?
 
Fnord said:
Here is the 'Official' Wiccan acronym:

White
Isolated
Chubby
Chicks
And
Nature​

FTW?
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Haha, yeah, there's was better. "Isolated" is much funnier.

I guess we should add a "not that there's anything wrong with that" out of respect for forum members.

There's less diversity in Wicca than the teabag movement...
 
TraneWreck said:
Haha, yeah, there's was better. "Isolated" is much funnier.

I guess we should add a "not that there's anything wrong with that" out of respect for forum members.

There's less diversity in Wicca than the teabag movement...
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"In the buff"
:D

I've seen them dancing on a cold night, I needed therapy

;)
 
Fnord said:
Here is the 'Official' Wiccan acronym:

White
Isolated
Chubby
Chicks
And
Nature​

FTW?
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The lady who I know who is Wiccan isn't chubby. She is most certainly NOT an introvert.

The other most recent Wiccan I met was the mother of a friend of my daughter, in Connecticut, about ten years ago. She was hot. Her oldest daughter, fifteen, was very pretty. Her younger daughter, my daughter's age, was cute, and looking to turn very pretty. Her husband was my age, and a lapsed Lutheran. As I noted to my wife at the time, I had an idea what led to the lapse. :)
 
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The ideas are old; the implementation is not, but of course the same can be said of Christianity.
 
Hm... most of the wicca I know aren't chubby, and certainly not introverted.

One lady I know is a bit chubby, but she's about as bubbly and active socially as you can get. By bubbly I mean cheerful, she has a good head for computers, programming, and management.

She used to be a contortionist until she hit her 50s.



Wicca is not even as ancient as the United states.
 
Marduk said:
spot on, Crowleys creed was "Do What Thou Wilt", this turned into the "An it harm none, do what ye will" (the Wiccan rede)

So Wicca is like the kids version of Crowleys "Ordo Templi Orientis",

The fact that Gerald Gardner (Wiccan founder) was a member of Crowleys order seems as lost on most Wiccans, as the fact that the first half of the Bible was written by Hebrews is on most Christians

The other interesting fact that as it was Crowley who wrote a charter for Gardner allowing him to initiate new members to his order, that Wicca owes more to the woo espoused by Crowley than anyone or anything else
http://rodneyorpheus.com/?page_id=271

:D
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The killer is the stuff in the Charge of the Goddess that reads like Crowley:

"Let my worship be within the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals."
"For behold, I have been with thee from the beginning; and I am that which is attained at the end of desire."
 
Other then the use of few names, any resembelence between Wicca and the actual religious beliefs of Pre Christian Northren Europe are purely coincidental.
 
Dancing David said:
The killer is the stuff in the Charge of the Goddess that reads like Crowley:

"Let my worship be within the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals."
"For behold, I have been with thee from the beginning; and I am that which is attained at the end of desire."
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Awesome
whos for founding a new and improved Ordo Templi Orientis, with me as its 'titular head'
I'll supply the women, you supply the wine
:D
 
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