Near death experiences of hell?

[Aepervius]

Think about this : are vision of NDE influenced by the society and create vision of the local hell/heaven, or were the local hell/heaven description from people which came out alive of NDE in our history, due to our common brain chemistry and the way the brain goes in panick mode in such situation ? Now that would be interresting to find out...

 

[GrandMasterFox]

Think about this : are vision of NDE influenced by the society and create vision of the local hell/heaven, or were the local hell/heaven description from people which came out alive of NDE in our history, due to our common brain chemistry and the way the brain goes in panick mode in such situation ? Now that would be interresting to find out...

I'd say the first one.We do know the origin for the fires of hell and it has nothing to do with NDE (human sacrifice by fire rituals).

Heaven's origins isn't that hard to figure out either.
I'd say in this case the chicken\egg thing is resolved rather easily.

 

[edge]

Assume that Hell exists, and that Satan exists.

Assume that it is Satan's most sincere and heart-felt desire to get as many human souls to come and suffer in Hell with him.

Question.

Why, if a person died and went to Hell, would Satan let that soul return to earth after experiencing Hell, thereby giving it a chance to repent? Seems to me that if there were any truth to this mythology at all, we'd see some people returning from Heaven (to tell other people that its real, and how wonderful it is, so that others will repent and gain paradise, also)...but nobody returning from Hell.

From what I have read they finally come back because they are given a second chance only because this is the place of panic, until they call and submit to Jesus.
Who over-rules Satan.

From an atheist:Famous atheists last words before dying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fSFGrhsBpM&feature=related

 

[Complexity]

I see what you did there.

 

[nois forme]

Oh good, I was afraid it was just be a poorly designed site with unfounded sensationalist tripe on it.

 

[Marduk]

From an atheist:Famous atheists last words before dying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fSFGrhsBpM&feature=related

Thanks for that, I had suspected it would be the usual innacurate tirade of non relevant quotations from non atheists and some atheists thrown in just to justify the title, just because the person who made it was full of religious fervour where accuracy in making a valid point didn't matter

Boy how wrong was I
If you hadn't have posted it I wouldn't have known that Gandhi was an atheist.

my eyes have been opened

Who over-rules Satan.

I do, everytime you post something stupid and I don't tell you to STFU and stop wasting everybodies time

 

[rorylee]

Nobody died. Nobody went anywhere. Nobody came back from the anywhere they didn't go to.

If it makes you sleep easier at night, just keep telling yourself that sinner.

 

[kerikiwi]

If it makes you sleep easier at night, just keep telling yourself that sinner.

Why would I need anything to make me sleep easier?
I was simply stating facts.
What is a sinner?

 

[cienaños]

Iodine. It's what's for sinner.

 

[rorylee]

Why would I need anything to make me sleep easier?
I was simply stating facts.
What is a sinner?

So ami.

Its called psychology. Anyone comes off as you did, dont want to believe in such things cause thats where you know deep down your going. You have sinned, you encourage others to do the same. Quite simple 3 sides, people who encourage the right thing, people who encourage the wrong thing and people who stay out of it.

 

[Complexity]

He's like an aussie 154.

 

[dlorde]

Anyone comes off as you did, dont want to believe in such things cause thats where you know deep down your going.

Are you saying that people who don't believe in hell do so because they know they're 'going to hell' (that they don't believe in) ?

You have sinned, you encourage others to do the same.

What was he encouraging others to do that was sinful (I missed that bit) ?

 

[Mirrorglass]

So ami.

Its called psychology. Anyone comes off as you did, dont want to believe in such things cause thats where you know deep down your going. You have sinned, you encourage others to do the same. Quite simple 3 sides, people who encourage the right thing, people who encourage the wrong thing and people who stay out of it.

Frankly, rory, you trying to apply psychology to other people is like a horse trying to ride a cowboy.

 

[Cainkane1]

I went to heaven once but if i hadn't been on Roxicet the experience may have been very different.

 

[ExMinister]

Late to the thread but I have studied this a bit. There are a number of people who have had frightening or hellish NDEs.

In the cases mentioned in this video, it is not true that all of these atheists had no prior knowledge of hell. In Howard Storm's case, as one example, he was raised a Christian and dropped his religious beliefs in his teenage years.

Regarding cross-cultural studies of NDEs, here is a link with some decent introductory information on the subject: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/keith_augustine/HNDEs.html#cross-cultural

As I have looked into cross-cultural research, it seems that people see what they have been culturally/religiously conditioned to expect to see, whether they are practicing the particular religion or not. For example, there is an Eastern NDEr whose virtue was defended by a talking chicken, something you would be unlikely to find in a Western NDE. It is common for people in the East to be sent back to earth because of an error in processing, e.g. a mistake was made and they got the wrong person. In Western NDEs that is almost unheard of. Do a search on Thai NDEs for more on this.

 

[ExMinister]

Assume that Hell exists, and that Satan exists.

Assume that it is Satan's most sincere and heart-felt desire to get as many human souls to come and suffer in Hell with him.

Question.

Why, if a person died and went to Hell, would Satan let that soul return to earth after experiencing Hell, thereby giving it a chance to repent? Seems to me that if there were any truth to this mythology at all, we'd see some people returning from Heaven (to tell other people that its real, and how wonderful it is, so that others will repent and gain paradise, also)...but nobody returning from Hell.

It also strikes me that if Jesus was really set on converting people, the non-Christian NDErs in the rest of the world would be seeing Jesus appear during their experiences to warn them to repent and be saved before it's too late. Is that not what Christian missionaries are trying to do - save souls in distant countries? Would an NDE not be the perfect chance for Jesus to intervene? Instead we find that most non-Christian NDEs involve non-Christian imagery.

It also seems that if accepting Jesus as lord and savior is THE prerequisite to avoid hell, the majority of non-Christian NDEs should involve an experience of hell, which they don't.

 

[Nosi]

Frankly, rory, you trying to apply psychology to other people is like a horse trying to ride a cowboy.

 

[tsig]

He's like an aussie 154.

You mean he's 451?

Maybe as in "Fahrenheit 451".

 

[Complexity]

You mean he's 451?

Maybe as in "Fahrenheit 451".

No, no!

Take it back!

I love Bradbury. I won't have him associated with these cretins, even in a joke.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...mostly pleasant enough, although the bathrooms can be hard to find...