Why does God hate sex?

[laca]

There's much more to marriage than that. Marriage is the structure on which a stable family is based,

No. Marriage is clearly not even remotely enough. Also, family is much more than "married people", family means siblings, parents, etc. too.

and a stable family is the structure on which a stable society is based.

A stable family might be a sufficient condition for a stable society (depending on the definition of "stable family"), but I'm sure it's not a necessary one.

 

[Radrook]

Please, do point out where the ambiguity was, or shut the **** up already and admit you made a mistake. It's not hard. Might want to try it sometimes.



Then don't. I gave you way more time than you deserve, trying to point out where you went wrong.

Maybe, just maybe, you could have just said something along these lines: "oops, misread you there, carry on...". That's something a honest person would have done.

Ok. I misread you. My apologies. However, no profanity is necessary. Is it? After all if I'm not cursing at you why should you be cursing at me?

 

[Radrook]

Not a lady, but I imagine one would like to at least have the chance to say no, instead of some deranged angel announcing "you're pregnant but it's a-ok, it was god, so be happy"...

Mary's response was that she was willing to carry the child and give birth to it because she considered it a privilege. So it wasn't a forced pregnancy.


(Luke 1: 38' I am the Lord's servant,' Mary answered. 'May it be to me as you have said.' Then the angel left her.

 

[laca]

Ok. I misread you. My apologies. However, no profanity is necessary. Is it? After all if I'm not cursing at you why should you be cursing at me?

OK. I got a bit mad. Carry on...

 

[laca]

Mary's response was that she was willing to carry the child and give birth to it because she considered it a privilege. So it wasn't a forced pregnancy.


(Luke 1: 38' I am the Lord's servant,' Mary answered. 'May it be to me as you have said.' Then the angel left her.

What she said sounded an awful lot like resignation to me, leading with "I am the Lord's servant"...

Did anyone or anything ask her whether she wanted to or not?

 

[arthwollipot]

There's much more to marriage than that. Marriage is the structure on which a stable family is based, and a stable family is the structure on which a stable society is based.

I disagree on both counts. Stable families can exist without marriage, and society is based on law and government, not on families.

 

[Radrook]

What she said sounded an awful lot like resignation to me, leading with "I am the Lord's servant"...

Did anyone or anything ask her whether she wanted to or not?

The communication was an offer of an intended privilege-to bear and give birth to the awaited Messiah. The vast majority of Jewish women of that time would have considered such an offer a privilege. If Mary would have protested, then she would have disqualified herself via the lack of appreciation for that privilege and another maiden would have taken her place.

Notice also that the fertilization via holy spirit is referred to in the future tense and not as already having happened. You know, with phrases as "you will".


Only after she agreed was the process begun.




Luke 1:

26. In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27. to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin's name was Mary. 28. The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

29. Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30. But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33. and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end."

34. "How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

35. The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[a] the Son of God. 36. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37. For nothing is impossible with God."

38. "I am the Lord's servant," Mary answered. "May it be to me as you have said." Then the angel left her.


BTW
It is assumed that a prior evaluation of her character and willingness took place before the offer was made.

 

[Taki]

If the nature of God is unknown and unknowable to us, and all we have to go on is the general shape of the universe to understand the plan he has crafted, then logic and reason tell us to look at biological imperative.
The only thing that is universal to all life that we have witnessed thusfar is that it seeks to reproduce and survive (whether as an individual or a species). If this is all there is to go by then it makes sense that the priest cast of every faith would have a dual nature of "go forth and procreate" and "no sex outside of marriage." The first to make of us, the second to make sure we don't exhaust our resources and kill ourselves off by using everything and having not enough renewable to sustain the population.

 

[Radrook]

If the nature of God is unknown and unknowable to us, and all we have to go on is the general shape of the universe to understand the plan he has crafted, then logic and reason tell us to look at biological imperative.
The only thing that is universal to all life that we have witnessed thusfar is that it seeks to reproduce and survive (whether as an individual or a species). If this is all there is to go by then it makes sense that the priest cast of every faith would have a dual nature of "go forth and procreate" and "no sex outside of marriage." The first to make of us, the second to make sure we don't exhaust our resources and kill ourselves off by using everything and having not enough renewable to sustain the population.

And the mandate to Adam was fill the earth=not overflow-just fill. But in the frenzied heat and copious sweat of the sex act, seems the instructions were misunderstood. LOL

 

[Vortigern99]

I disagree on both counts. Stable families can exist without marriage, and society is based on law and government, not on families.

I'm a skeptic and an atheist, or at least an agnostic, so I have no stake in defending religion or the idea of God as anything but a convenient and imaginative invention... but the statement "society is based on law and government, not on families" is just plain wrong.

Any first-year student of sociology understands that the family unit is integral to society, from hunter-gather cultures to feudal societies, to modern capitalist ones.

Distribution of labor and gender roles among the various family members form the basis of all human societies; law and government exist, in part, to keep those basic units intact. Further, the bonds of affection are a natural tendency among human beings; altruism and love-relationships are selective traits from an evolutionary perspective -- traits which find fullest expression in the family unit.

The alternative to families as the basic unit of human society would be either solitary living, which tends to lead to depression, sexual frustration and a sense of isolation; or communal living, into which jealousy over shared sexual partners inevitably, and destructively, creeps in, among other difficulties.

I do not mean that these alternatives are not viable options for a minority of the population. Can "stable families exist without marriage"? Yes, of course, especially today when rules and attitudes are changing, information regarding child-rearing and countless other subjects is readily available on-line or in libraries, and the fabric of religion is gradually being replaced with a kind of secular or popular humanism. But the vast majority of human societies, throughout history right up to the present moment, are family-based, and families are marriage-based (though see my point, upthread, about how "common-law" marriage has historical precedence over the big public weddings that we now associate with marriage).

To dismiss the fundamental reality of the family unit from this discussion is to assert one's ignorance of sociology, anthropology, psychology and economics.

 

[quarky]

I would totally do god.

Unless he was hitting all the action in town. Sure. I'm principled.
You almost have to assume that god is hot.
Picture you're favorite masturbatory image, and jack it up a notch or two.

There's no refusing that.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Picture you're favorite masturbatory image, and jack it up a notch or two.

Why do I keep coming up with Abe Vigoda? Damn you! Must be Satan's influence.

 

[laca]

The communication was an offer of an intended privilege-to bear and give birth to the awaited Messiah. The vast majority of Jewish women of that time would have considered such an offer a privilege. If Mary would have protested, then she would have disqualified herself via the lack of appreciation for that privilege and another maiden would have taken her place.

Notice also that the fertilization via holy spirit is referred to in the future tense and not as already having happened. You know, with phrases as "you will".

So if a man comes up to you and tells you "You will be killed", do you think he's asking you whether you want to be killed or not?

Only after she agreed was the process begun.

There was never another option for her.

Don't you see how you're making stuff up to apologize for your god? It's pathetic, laughable and sad at the same time.

 

[a3sigma]

I would totally do god.

Unless he was hitting all the action in town. Sure. I'm principled.
You almost have to assume that god is hot.
Picture you're favorite masturbatory image, and jack it up a notch or two.

There's no refusing that.

Alanis Morissette as god in the movie Dogma -- all day and every day.

 

[rorylee]

What she said sounded an awful lot like resignation to me, leading with "I am the Lord's servant"...

Did anyone or anything ask her whether she wanted to or not?

Did anyone ask you if you wanted to live?

 

[rorylee]

I'm gay, so I get to answer this question, too.

Hell, no.

Neither one deserves the great joy (however short-lived) that I've been known to give.

Also, I have a reputation to maintain. I won't 'sleep' with just anyone.

(why did he spell out 'slash'? freaky little wackjob)

Well you dont have to worry, God, nor Jesus isn't gay..

 

[rorylee]

Not a lady, but I imagine one would like to at least have the chance to say no, instead of some deranged angel announcing "you're pregnant but it's a-ok, it was god, so be happy"...

I wasn't referring to Mary, i was talking about just in general. Jesus showed up in the flesh, would the women swamp him like they do to movie stars, musicians, athletes etc. The most powerful, righteousness, King and Lord ever to exist, with God and the Holy Spirit as a third leg.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Well you dont have to worry, God, nor Jesus isn't gay..

Evidence?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Did anyone ask you if you wanted to live?

Um...wow.

Asking someone if they want to be pregnant or not is not exactly the same as asking someone if they want to live. It's a bit hard to do the latter

Only after one has begun living, as the brain develops, does one develop the ability to make decisions.

 

[rorylee]

Evidence?

Doesn't certain lines quoted or not in this thread alone provide enough? and God created a son with the Holy Spirit in Mary. How do we create babies again?