Split Thread How did the jets manage to hit center columns and ground floors?

[achimspok]

Have you got a translator for the above post?

Old joke.

They realize that this kind of precision from a fast moving airplane is impossible, and can be scientifically refuted beyond question.

So do it!
The airplane you are talking about had a speed of about 490mph. The middle of the cockpit hit the center column. (That's pretty easy to prove even if some MIT professor wasn't able to prove his much lower speed calculation copied by NIST.)

that leads to how did the jets manage to strike the right floors on the towers?

How did the jets manage to hit center columns and ground floors?

Btw, my "babble-fish" translates it as: "I have nothing to say so I'll say this".

Split from: OOS Collapse Propagation Model.

Posted By: Gaspode

 

[BigAl]

Old joke.


So do it!
The airplane you are talking about had a speed of about 490mph. The middle of the cockpit hit the center column. (That's pretty easy to prove even if some MIT professor wasn't able to prove his much lower speed calculation copied by NIST.)

What does the bolded text mean and do you have a citation for it?

 

[achimspok]

What does the bolded text mean ...

...and do you have a citation for it?

No citation needed.

 

[Reactor drone]

[qimg]http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8640/centerhit.jpg[/qimg]

No citation needed.

But what is the significance of this?


Given that about half the face of the building is columns and half is windows what would you predict the odds are for hitting a column somewhere near the middle of their target?

 

[achimspok]

Since we have hi-def video of a plane hitting and huge damage and fires and that the initiation started exactly where the planes hit there are no longer any rational reasons for suspecting foul play in the collapse.
Now one can still fantasize about MIHOP and LIHOP but you have to face up the the facts that there was nothing even remotely suspicious about the collapses.

The problem is that a lot of people are seemingly that afraid of MIHOP and LIHOP that they prefer to not look into a "simple natural gravity driven collapse", isn't it?
Btw, the initiation of the visible collapse of the exterior columns WTC1 started above the impact damage at floor 98.
Nevertheless, there was a lot of still unexplained bright dust/smoke on the south side below the impact zone and reaching down to the 85th floor (not further and not moving downwards) emerging at the very initial moments and followed by pretty strange dust jets from the center of floor 85N and 87W. That's the floor where the debris avalanches first became visible. That's at least very interesting, isn't it?
Well, and we have hi-def videos of the fires and the damage and so on.
There was some heavy pressure pulse at 10:18am affecting at least 5 floors and the entire width of the building. That pulse started a pretty fast fire at floor 92NE that reached the SE corner in just 10 minutes. The pulse also started a heavy fire at 95W. Any idea? May be a partial floor collapse that started fires on 92 and 95? I don't think so. May be something similar to the jets of fire from floor 13? WTC7 just 10 minutes prior to the collapse?
4 seconds in the collapse of WTC2 2 darting flames from the center of the south face of WTC1 occurred. At the same time the fire behavior completely changed. After 75 minutes burning in the SW the fire switched to the SE.
This is why the NIST theory of 3 meters catenary floor sagging in a about 20 minutes of fire and in an area without (estimated by NIST) damage to the fireproofing appears to be pretty strange.
So, there are some rational reasons in suspecting foul play in the investigation.

 

[achimspok]

But what is the significance of this?


Given that about half the face of the building is columns and half is windows what would you predict the odds are for hitting a column somewhere near the middle of their target?

You are pretty funny!

Someone has written that it was impossible to predict the impacted floors. Was it you? Well, the dead center isn't "a column somewhere near the middle", right? The speed wasn't like landing on a runway. It wasn't a trained pilot. According to the myth it was a nervous Boeing first-timer who initially pushed four times the wrong button.
"Here is Boston Center. AA11, is it you who is trying to reach me?"
"Nobody move, everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves you'll endanger yourself and the airplane."
Obviously Atta thought that some passenger had called him in the cockpit.

How much are you able to swallow?

 

[Reactor drone]

You are pretty funny!

Someone has written that it was impossible to predict the impacted floors. Was it you? Well, the dead center isn't "a column somewhere near the middle", right? The speed wasn't like landing on a runway. It wasn't a trained pilot. According to the myth it was a nervous Boeing first-timer who initially pushed four times the wrong button.
"Here is Boston Center. AA11, is it you who is trying to reach me?"
"Nobody move, everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves you'll endanger yourself and the airplane."
Obviously Atta thought that some passenger had called him in the cockpit.

How much are you able to swallow?

What about the plane that didn't hit the centre of the building?

Texas sharpshooter fallacy anyone?

 

[carlitos]

That's at least very interesting, isn't it?

no.

So, there are some rational reasons in suspecting foul play in the investigation.

no.

It wasn't a trained pilot.

Why do you tell this lie?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

The problem is that a lot of people are seemingly that afraid of MIHOP and LIHOP that they prefer to not look into a "simple natural gravity driven collapse", isn't it?
Btw, the initiation of the visible collapse of the exterior columns WTC1 started above the impact damage at floor 98.
Nevertheless, there was a lot of still unexplained bright dust/smoke on the south side below the impact zone and reaching down to the 85th floor (not further and not moving downwards) emerging at the very initial moments and followed by pretty strange dust jets from the center of floor 85N and 87W. That's the floor where the debris avalanches first became visible. That's at least very interesting, isn't it?
Well, and we have hi-def videos of the fires and the damage and so on.
There was some heavy pressure pulse at 10:18am affecting at least 5 floors and the entire width of the building. That pulse started a pretty fast fire at floor 92NE that reached the SE corner in just 10 minutes. The pulse also started a heavy fire at 95W. Any idea? May be a partial floor collapse that started fires on 92 and 95? I don't think so. May be something similar to the jets of fire from floor 13? WTC7 just 10 minutes prior to the collapse?
4 seconds in the collapse of WTC2 2 darting flames from the center of the south face of WTC1 occurred. At the same time the fire behavior completely changed. After 75 minutes burning in the SW the fire switched to the SE.
This is why the NIST theory of 3 meters catenary floor sagging in a about 20 minutes of fire and in an area without (estimated by NIST) damage to the fireproofing appears to be pretty strange.
So, there are some rational reasons in suspecting foul play in the investigation.[/QUOTE

Then you need to start a new thread on those subjects as they are irrelevant to this one.

 

[achimspok]

I see you've managed to agree with me many times while still claiming to disagree with me.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm three times boggled as well. So it's fine. I thought there is a difference between velocity and acceleration or between a consistent upper block and some tons of dirt. At least I'm happy that you apparently agree in some points.

Why do you tell this lie?

Your question implicate a lie. Maybe that's also just a question of different terms and interpretations. How many times did Atta land a plane bigger than, let's say, some slow cigar with 8 seats? How many times did he flew something bigger? How many times did he reach more than 300mph while sitting in a cockpit?

What about the plane that didn't hit the centre of the building?

First of all that plane was a lot more precise than NIST want you to believe. (...or just a mistake?) That plane reached about 0° downward trajectory in the moment of impact and a lateral angle of less that 8°. The average velocity during the last 12 seconds was close to 600mph. The impact velocity was something between 560-590mph + cross wind from north at 10m/s + extreme descent rate precisely leveled.

Let's say, under the described conditions a hit that missed the dead center for about 6 columns isn't that bad. ...even for a professional pilot or a machine.

 

[achimspok]

Then you need to start a new thread on those subjects as they are irrelevant to this one.

 

[beachnut]

You are pretty funny!

Someone has written that it was impossible to predict the impacted floors. Was it you? Well, the dead center isn't "a column somewhere near the middle", right? The speed wasn't like landing on a runway. It wasn't a trained pilot. According to the myth it was a nervous Boeing first-timer who initially pushed four times the wrong button.
"Here is Boston Center. AA11, is it you who is trying to reach me?"
"Nobody move, everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves you'll endanger yourself and the airplane."
Obviously Atta thought that some passenger had called him in the cockpit.

How much are you able to swallow?

The faster speed gives better control, is that what you are saying? I put my kids in a large jet simulator, they hit the WTC at high speed and never flew a jet before. I fly heavy jets since 1976, anyone can crash into buildings. It was a trained pilot, all the terrorists trained and had FAA tickets; you are a liar.

Atta keyed the wrong button to talk, so. Any kid can crash a 767/757 into buildings.
What is your purpose with off topic tripe? There were no explosives in the WTC, no thermite and to say there was is a lie. 911 truth has no evidence, just failed delusions and zero skill in engineering, physics, and math.

Major Tom's paper is junk for many reasons, can you expose why it is not?

Your posts make zero sense, and are the best support Major Tom will ever have, how are the related to the failed paper of Major Tom?

 

[beachnut]

...
Let's say, under the described conditions a hit that missed the dead center for about 6 columns isn't that bad. ...even for a professional pilot or a machine.

6 columns off if aiming at the center is bad.
A professional pilot would hit the center by inches. The 767/757 used on 911 have no machine to fly the plane into buildings with precision, unless you consider 1/4 mile precise. How does this tie to a fail paper trying to back in explosives with no evidence?

Better start your own thread on 911 issues. It could be called what you make up about flying without trying.

 

[Bell]

Could anyone explain to me what the hell the relevance is of AA11 hitting or not hitting some center column?

Jesus. I wonder if Achimspok has ever driven a car or a bike for that matter.

 

[dtugg]

Hey, very stupid twoofer, who said the terrorist was aiming for that particular spot?

 

[TJM]

I wonder why Flight 175 didn't hit center mass. Maybe Atta was just showing off.

What a god damned moronic thread, and it's not jammonius for a change.

 

[alienentity]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm three times boggled as well. So it's fine. I thought there is a difference between velocity and acceleration or between a consistent upper block and some tons of dirt. At least I'm happy that you apparently agree in some points.


Your question implicate a lie. Maybe that's also just a question of different terms and interpretations. How many times did Atta land a plane bigger than, let's say, some slow cigar with 8 seats? How many times did he flew something bigger? How many times did he reach more than 300mph while sitting in a cockpit?


First of all that plane was a lot more precise than NIST want you to believe. (...or just a mistake?) That plane reached about 0° downward trajectory in the moment of impact and a lateral angle of less that 8°. The average velocity during the last 12 seconds was close to 600mph. The impact velocity was something between 560-590mph + cross wind from north at 10m/s + extreme descent rate precisely leveled.
[qimg]http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8315/hitsmallcorr.jpg[/qimg]
Let's say, under the described conditions a hit that missed the dead center for about 6 columns isn't that bad. ...even for a professional pilot or a machine.

I fail to see the point of this observation. It seems like the pilot aimed for the center of the building and got pretty close.
Are you trying to argue that it was predetermined somehow precisely where the plane would hit?

Because you're going to have a lot of trouble in light of the fact that:

1) The other plane hit WTC2 in a completely different way (speed, angle, floor and structural area.)
2) There's nothing to indicate that the plane couldn't have impacted a few floors higher or lower than it did, and that the floors it actually hit weren't random.
3) There's no explanation - except for random adjustments by the pilot- why the aircraft had it's wings tipped to the degree they were. - Are you going to ignore the non-level wing angles and just focus on one aspect which fits a hallucinated theory?

If indeed you have some kind of point, you haven't presented anything which explains the 3 points above as anything but random events.
I hope you don't take yourself seriously, but I'm beginning to wonder...

ETA perhaps you'd like to contrast and compare the two plane impacts and explain what the differences and similarities mean.

 

[Oystein]

You are pretty funny!

Someone has written that it was impossible to predict the impacted floors. Was it you? Well, the dead center isn't "a column somewhere near the middle", right? The speed wasn't like landing on a runway. It wasn't a trained pilot. According to the myth it was a nervous Boeing first-timer who initially pushed four times the wrong button.
"Here is Boston Center. AA11, is it you who is trying to reach me?"
"Nobody move, everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves you'll endanger yourself and the airplane."
Obviously Atta thought that some passenger had called him in the cockpit.

How much are you able to swallow?

There is an awful lot of buttons in a Boeing cockpit, so it's easy to hit the wrong one. But there is only one horn to push forward, back, left, right to steer the plane - your 6-year old son would not miss that, and even he would have no trouble at all hitting a building as big and as visible as the WTC.

 

[Oystein]

...Let's say, under the described conditions a hit that missed the dead center for about 6 columns isn't that bad. ...even for a professional pilot or a machine.

Silly crap.
Flying a plane onto a target is dead simple. Go to a flight simulator of your choice, book some time, try it, and be surprised how exact even YOU could fly a 767 into a building.

 

[A W Smith]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy