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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Danceme said:
I can understand their desire to recoup the money they've spent thus far and pad the coffers for the appeal costs. Their only sale-able commodity is Amanda herself. However it does not seem at all sensible to go against the advice of Ghirga who is very aware how this may come across while they apparently have no clue.
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Maybe we should find out if the report is true because engaging in all this speculation.

If Ghirga is "very aware how this may come across," then openly criticizing the family in the press may be a calculated strategy.

I wonder why they ever thought it wise to hire an American PR Firm instead of one from Italy. In the long run it matters not a hoot what her fellow Americans think. She is being tried in Italy.
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In the long run it matters a lot, because if Italy stands firm against an international protest of a verdict based on flimsy evidence and suspicions of misconduct, they will be become a laughingstock of the world, and they don't want that.
 
bucketoftea said:
Do you think one could be forgiven for thinking it looks like the interview/money is of more concern than the security of her defense?

Do they know she's guilty and will not go free so why waste the opportunity to make some dough?

What does Ted Simon think of this?
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$$$
 
Mary_H said:
You are saying the Italian justice system will keep Amanda in prison on the basis of outrage and revenge, as opposed to the evidence presented at trial.
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I have no idea what the Italian justice system will do, and neither do you. I do know however that unless you have evidence to back up your claims they can only harm, not help Amanda's appeal.
 
Mary_H said:
What is your latest photo of, RWVBWL?
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Gretting Mary H,
Thanks for asking. My most recent avatar is the 1st ever Great White Shark to have been photographed breaching here in the waters off Los Angeles. I am the photographer.

Though this short story below is a bit offthread, it does show how someone's curiousity might make a difference in finding a clue or an over looked clue.

Early last year, in Jan. of 2009, I became more curious about a fatal shark attack that had occured in 1989, which I vaguely remembered. A girl and her boyfriend went kayaking in the waters off Los Angeles and were never seen alive again. 2 days later, Tamara was found, by chance, out in the ocean, almost 30 miles up the coast, having been killed by a Great White Shark. Her boyfriend Roy was never found.
In my extensive research, I found something in my old video archives that most likely holds a huge clue to help answer the question of why Roy was never found. For on Jan. 29, 1989, my surfteam and I were on the beach as the sun came up the following morning adjacent to the same harbor that Tamara was returned to land as daylight was ending the previous day. As I shot a surfteam video, a pod of dolphins cruised by. Unbeknown to us, Roy was missing, and Tamara had just been found late the previous afternoon just offshore of our location.
One of the animals, which I had always thought were just dolphins, appears, in recent frame by frame analysis, to actually be a shark, dragging something as 2 seagulls circle it. The color of clothing that Roy was last seen wearing is the same as what is momentarily visable near this animals dorsal fin on top.
I, and many others, believe that Roy was near Tamara, and overnight his body might have been pushed closer towards the shore due to the surf. More research is continuing to see if this video holds clues to help answer why Roy was never found.
And it is because of my curiousity about what had happened to Roy and Tamara that I have been recently, and pretty successfully, photographing and videoing breaching sharks here in the waters of Los Angeles. More of that will be in the media soon, I bet...

Anyways, when I come to read here on JREF, Perugia Shock, Injustice in Perugia, TJ4MK, and PMF,
I try to decipher clues while looking at the whole picture, much as I did while researching this long ago 1989 fatal shark attack. Maybe, just maybe, there is something that has been overlooked or not found, yet...

Have a great Sunday,
RWVBWL
 
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Alt+F4 said:
I have no idea what the Italian justice system will do, and neither do you. I do know however that unless you have evidence to back up your claims they can only harm, not help Amanda's appeal.
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You need me to provide evidence of a history of Fascism in Italy?

Sorry, but again you are stating that something outside the courtroom will influence the trial.
 
Mary_H said:
Maybe we should find out if the report is true because engaging in all this speculation.

If Ghirga is "very aware how this may come across," then openly criticizing the family in the press may be a calculated strategy.



In the long run it matters a lot, because if Italy stands firm against an international protest of a verdict based on flimsy evidence and suspicions of misconduct, they will be become a laughingstock of the world, and they don't want that.
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Mary, are you divulging strategy?
 
RWVBWL said:
My most recent avatar is the 1st ever Great White Shark to have been photographed breaching here in the waters off Los Angeles. I am the photographer.

Have a great Sunday,
RWVBWL
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Thank you. That is a fascinating story.
 
Mary_H said:
You need me to provide evidence of a history of Fascism in Italy?

Sorry, but again you are stating that something outside the courtroom will influence the trial.
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I've seen far more goose stepping from the FOA these last two years then I've seen from the Italians these last fifty.

Isn't Amanda German? "My people killed your people".
 
Amanda Knox to give television interview
Amanda Knox's family are in negotiations with television networks to give an interview giving her side of the story.

By Nick Pisa in Rome
Published: 3:29PM BST 16 May 2010


The Telegraph


I think the report's true ;)
 
Mary_H said:
You need me to provide evidence of a history of Fascism in Italy?
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No, just provide evidence of what Italy's facist past has to do with this trial.

Sorry, but again you are stating that something outside the courtroom will influence the trial.
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Nope, you are. You believe that evidence in the case was planted. All I'm asking is what is the benefit of making accusations against the Italians without any evidence?
 
Fulcanelli said:
I've seen far more goose stepping from the FOA these last two years then I've seen from the Italians these last fifty.

Isn't Amanda German? "My people killed your people".
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I'm sure Germans the world over appreciate your implications.
 
Alt+F4 said:
No, just provide evidence of what Italy's facist past has to do with this trial.

Nope, you are. You believe that evidence in the case was planted. All I'm asking is what is the benefit of making accusations against the Italians without any evidence?
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Let's not get carried away with a discussion of world history.

A prosecutor who sues or otherwise punishes everybody who speaks out against him does not believe in free speech and engenders fear in those who disagree with him. The end.
 
Mary_H said:
I'm sure Germans the world over appreciate your implications.
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I see...spare the Germans but the Italians are fair game?

I rather suspect, were the trial taking place in Germany your insults against the Germans and defence of the Italians would be equally robust. Whatever's convenient.

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Mary_H said:
Let's not get carried away with a discussion of world history.

A prosecutor who sues or otherwise punishes everybody who speaks out against him does not believe in free speech and engenders fear in those who disagree with him. The end.
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You started it. Now you want to drop it because you realise you've made yourself look a complete knob.

Actually, the prosecutor prosecutes when the law has been broken. That's his/her job.

(and that rhymes)
 
Mary_H said:
In the long run it matters a lot, because if Italy stands firm against an international protest of a verdict based on flimsy evidence and suspicions of misconduct, they will be become a laughingstock of the world, and they don't want that.
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What international protest? All I've ever heard came from Americans and American media. How do we know this wasn't orchestrated by Marriott? They are earning their money somehow and so far I've seen little else than a strategy of accusing the Italians of organizing a giant conspiracy against a nobody student and labeling everything the authorities did as utter incompetence. And all this from people who did not attend the trial or even speak or read Italian.

Where are the protests from all these other countries? The world isn't laughing.
 
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