Why do illegal aliens want so much sympathy?

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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/14/georgia.student.immigration/index.html?hpt=T1

Colotl's legal problems started in late March when her car was stopped on the Kennesaw State campus. Born in Mexico but living in the United States since she was 11, she could not produce a driver's license, so she handed over as identification an expired passport from Mexico.
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The article is rather biased in my opinion. This woman has had legal problems not only since she was arrested, but actually since she was a child and broke the law everyday while she was an illegal alien.

This woman is now an adult and responsible for her decision to break the law. But she and her supporters want people to believe that she is the victim and the police the bad guys.

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Ranb said:
The article is rather biased in my opinion. This woman has had legal problems not only since she was arrested, but actually since she was a child and broke the law everyday while she was an illegal alien.
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She broke the law everyday?! Oh wait, yea, by simply living in the USA illegally. I gotcha. I wouldn't want to mistake your statement as hyperbole meant to paint an image of a thuggish criminal, running around robbing houses or anything.:rolleyes:
 
thaiboxerken said:
She broke the law everyday?! Oh wait, yea, by simply living in the USA illegally. I gotcha. I wouldn't want to mistake your statement as hyperbole meant to paint an image of a thuggish criminal, running around robbing houses or anything.:rolleyes:
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Wait till you get hit by someone with no drivers license and no insurance

Its real fun, let me tell you
 
lionking said:
Then you deserved to be caught and punished. Is this your point?
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As should all pot smokers, and people who commit sodomy.

Seriously, I think this is one of the most commonly misused criticisms of the movement to help illegal immigrants. The usual argument isn't that they should be allowed to do something illegal, but that the thing that is currently illegal shouldn't be, at least in the way it is now. The migrant worker system for example, and people who have grown up in the states. Some other people argue that the punishments and risks of the currently illegal act are not in line with magnitude of the infraction. Of course I am sure that there are some people who believe that they should be allowed to commit illegal acts without recon-pence, but that is an obviously flawed argument.
 
tyr_13 said:
As should all pot smokers, and people who commit sodomy.
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Neat strawman. Do you contest the argument that speeding drivers generally pose a risk to other road users?

I was merely commenting on corplix false analogy. I am undecided about illegal immigrants, both here and in the US.
 
So many people are under some sort of delusion that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. Maybe this is why there is so much uproar in response to efforts to protect ourselves. Maybe some more education is in order before any more knee jerking
 
thaiboxerken said:
Who are the victims?
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Where do you want to start? The poor? Drivers? Schoolchildren? Anyone in need of an emergency room? The taxpayers? Anyone with a legal identity? The environment? Our National Parks?

Do you really want to know or is this just another snipe?
 
pipelineaudio said:
Where do you want to start? The poor? Drivers? Schoolchildren? Anyone in need of an emergency room? The taxpayers? Anyone with a legal identity? The environment? Our National Parks?

Do you really want to know or is this just another snipe?
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For those of us outside the US, yes, we would like to understand what is going on.

Why are there so many illegal immigrants in the US in the first place?
 
Sort of off topic, but in Australia we have had thousands of illegal immigrants arriving by boat at Christmas Island. Very few are shipped back. At the moment we are sending the message "come here the hard way, and you will almost certainly get to stay".
 
I admit to being conflicted on the issue. Being in law enforcement, I'm inclined to say..."They entered the country illegally. Period."
At the same time, I recognize that it's the function of the federal government to address this problem...And they haven't. At least, not in any meaningful way. A bit of window-dressing fence-line, some INS raids... No real attempt to stem the flow of illegals, nor to find and deport the ones who are here.
The vast majority of the people who enter illegal are "economic refugees" who are coming from a situation of having nothing in hopes of getting a little. Most of what they do get is sent back home.
We are told that the monies sent back to the various Southern countries by these workers exceeds any foriegn aid the government sends...

These people find jobs because people here hire them. We hear much about punishing the folks who do so...But what has been done.
We are told that Americans would take these jobs that the illegals do....If they paid enough. The Mexicans are willing to work for less. But if there were strict enforcement, then prices of all manner of goods and services would rise, as labor prices would at least double....
Then we are told that labor results in an almost-unmeasurable effect on the price of say, tomatoes, as most of the price is reflected in growing and transportation.

The grounds-management firm for our university hires Mexicans (or at least, Hispanics) almost exclusively. These people work very hard, and cause no trouble. The only white faces to be seen are in management, and increasingly you see Hispanic supervisors and such. I have no idea how many of these folks are legal... Are Americans clamoring for these jobs? Even with 10% unemployment?
 
Bikewer said:
... Are Americans clamoring for these jobs? Even with 10% unemployment?
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Well, not at the pay scales being offered, as for those who do take the jobs are living under conditions most of us would abhor -- 2 or more families in one household, which in many places is another legal issue. The reason they do it is because it's better than back home, south of the boarder. Folks may argue that they pay taxes ... but is that really a fair statement when 2 families are living in a single home, both with children going to public schools but only paying 1/2 the property taxes for said schools? To me, for us to consider such a lifestyle would be a major step backward from what as a nation we moved away from.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Who are the victims?
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I'm wondering that too. I've heard the claim that the Arizona immigration law is needed to protect U.S. citizens.

To me, noting that some illegal aliens commit other crimes that may have victims is the same as the pro-lifer argument that abortion should be illegal because the next fetus you abort might turn out to be another Einstein or Mozart. (Or Hitler or Stalin.)

I cited this anecdote before, but I wonder who are the victims of Dr. Q's entering the U.S. illegally as a youth? If we're going to count "victims" what about the people whose lives Dr. Q saves (that would be lost if he were deported).
 
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