I love Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

And absorbed into the bloodstream. Fruits and vegetables contain many toxic chemicals that get absorbed into the bloodstream.


It was you, remember, who said you'd never give a baby toxic chemicals. We've shown that by feeding a baby you're giving it toxic chemicals.

It was you who claimed that the dose doesn't matter - toxic is toxic, but now you're saying that small amounts don't harm anyone. You're coming around to what we've been telling you.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is called "moving the goalposts."

When someone has a religion-like belief system, and one part is shown to be false, the believer almost always simply shifts to a different subject, without acknowledging that he was mistaken before, and without the self-reflection of what that would indicate.

If you eat organic produce, you eat food that's been treated with pesticides. In many cases pesticides that are very toxic to humans.

What evidence would convince you otherwise?

The fact that you're cocksure about your spelling, which is obviously wrong to every other person in the country, is not surprising to us. It's how you handle all your opinions.

Food in the gut, and vaccines in the arm, are two different topics.

They are not the same. Bloodstream is vulnerable, the gut can take some beating due to families of bacteria taking the edge of the sword, where as your brain takes the edge of the sword from the bloodstream toxins where there's little defense compared to the gut.

If you eat organic produce, you eat food that's been treated with pesticides. In many cases pesticides that are very toxic to humans.

umm who told you that? Organic food is certified to NOT be treated with pesticides, you're not a very bright one.

Of course pesticides are very toxic to humans, we're families of bacteria!

Of course pesticides are very toxic to humans, that is WHY I eat ORGANIC...

FOODS THAT ARE NOT TREATED WITH PESTICIDES...

I don't know where you got that organic foods are treated?????

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Not a fan of soda, I do gobble down flu vaccines though. I heard that eating enough of them creates a Viagra-like effect, and how!

It is interesting that as Rockefeller tries to cut our lifespans down, they've been consistently growing. Bad supervillain, I guess.

hmm.. how is lifespan growing? when its shrinking....

Children now get cancer, adults now get cancer and sick at age 40, and have heart attacks at 45-50.. instead of getting cancer at 70-80..

Human beings should be able to live to 120-140 years old, and not a old looking self, but a healthy and active 120 y/o. so people dying at 50-60 is right on point with what Kissinger and Rockefeller wish for the world.

 

[Cayvmann]

What the hell are you talking about? Are you trying to say that a saline solution could somehow "resemble" the "devices" in the vaccine?

What the hell does that even mean? Do you know what saline solution is? It's been explained to you in this thread, but if you don't accept simple salt water as an acceptable placebo, then your belief that vaccines are not placebo tested is absolutely unfalsifiable. There is no presentation of information that could possibly change your mind.

Hey, wait! I think I have it. Somehow the saline solution has a "memory" of a vaccine in it. Homeopathic vaccines. That's great

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Really? So why am I supposed to take advice from someone who failed basic biology? There are only so many kingdoms that all living species fall under. If it aint animal then what are we? Protozoan? Bacteria? Fungi?

Who said I failed biology???

you..

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you are wrong


I take the literal meaning of animals as animal, I take the literal meaning of man as man. You may be an animal, but I am a man. You may like your bovine and monkey RNA enhancements, but I think of them as trashy dna!

I got rid of my desire to be cattle.. years ago..

 

[TraneWreck]

hmm.. how is lifespan growing? when its shrinking....

Children now get cancer, adults now get cancer and sick at age 40, and have heart attacks at 45-50.. instead of getting cancer at 70-80..

Human beings should be able to live to 120-140 years old, and not a old looking self, but a healthy and active 120 y/o. so people dying at 50-60 is right on point with what Kissinger and Rockefeller wish for the world.

That was beautiful. Thank you. Laughter has known beneficial health effects, so even though you are unwittigly advocating for the deaths of children, you've improved my health.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

I call my own reasoning "Personal Risk vs Mass Risk". I apply it to much preventative medicine like this:

A disease in question is suffered by 10% of the population. The preventative measure cuts that risk by 50%. So, with the prevention, my personal risk is lowered from 90% chance of not getting the disease, to a 95% chance. Not much benefit for ME. Certainly not worth any side effects.

Oh, I can see how the medicos look at it as preventing the disease for 15,000,000 people. But the logic of "Think of the Masses" still hardly effects me personally.

But there is a herd immunity that somebody like me does benefit from. Though I just don't know how big the anti-vax movement actually is, and if it is having a real affect on our herd immunity.

That said, I do get vaccines if/when I remember. And take my blood pressure medicine, in a dose that sometimes gives me vision disturbances. It's about half the dose the docs want me to take.

good thinking! not many take this approach, its good to at least look at the risks and benefits. if only these people knew this and took it all into consideration like you do.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

But anyways.​

Vaccines. Where did we leave off? Before the "I don't eat potatoes because they're full of deadly toxins" part. I think we had just (almost) established that all chemicals are toxins, and that all that matters is the dosage. Is that right?

 

[Arisia]

What do you suggest someone do if that happens? get a rabis shot? a tetnus shot?

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Last time I checked, if you contract rabies it's fatal, unless you take the course of post-exposure rabies vaccinations pretty darn quick.

If there are natural alternatives to rabies vaccine, they haven't been found yet.

 

[Chris Haynes]

Would this be a good time to mention that potatoes and other food crops are grown in soil, and that the most common minerals in soil are feldspars?

Feldspars contain aluminum!

So potatoes and all other foods contain aluminum!

Won't someone think of the children eating all of those foods full of aluminum!

Plus naturally occurring formaldehyde, and other things.

Edit to add: Just noticed he spelled rabies and tetanus wrong also: "get a rabis shot? a tetnus shot?"

 

[Safe-Keeper]

What do you suggest someone do if that happens? get a rabis shot? a tetnus shot?

If you're out in the middle of nowhere, and you get bit by a poisonous snake, you have no other choice but to use a knife (if you were smart enough to carry one) to cut into the skin where the bite marks are, and make it bleed out while you move as little as humanly possible and slow your heart rate, while you cut off circulation with a shirt or something around the leg or arm you were bitten.

When you are sure that most of the poison is drained out, you can stop the bleeding with that same shirt, and then proceed to a clinic to get stitches.

If YOU choose to get anti-venom, that is up to you, that is not my way.

I rather bleed it out and then use hydrogen peroxide, alcohol or pure water to clean the bite marks, slap some healing balm on there, and I'm good to go.

and if you get poison Ivy.. rub the inside of a banana peel on your skin where you got touched, and there's many more ways to remedy that that don't use any toxic chemicals going into the body...

Then you go on to say that of course you know alcohol is toxic, and that you don't drink alcohol (because according to you, toxic things are toxic no matter the dose). So getting it into your guts and liver is wrong, but getting it into your veins is okay. In other words a complete reversal of your stance that toxic stuff in your bloodstream is worse than toxic stuff in your tummy. Every post you submit here makes me more and more convinced that you're just making stuff up as you go.

Chris Haynes: we're trying to explain to him that pretty much all substances are chemicals, and all chemicals are toxic. I don't know if it's too smart, though, given that he might starve to death and all, but them's the grapes, I guess...

 

[Myriad]

It might not be wise to tell SaveAmerica about vitamin A.

It's essential for health, and it's toxic.

And many cases of vitamin A toxicity have resulted from completely natural organic sources. (Symptoms of the toxicity have even been found in cave man skeletons.)

Then there's water, as has already been pointed out. Not to mention salt.

ETA: Or zinc, iron, magnesium, potassium, vitamin D, iodine, selenium...

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[TSR]

As I bizarrely claim? There's been a Canadian study that used Hep A shot for the "placebo". They said "intramuscularly" which means it was a vaccine, as you claim as the study claims, "sodium chloride" which I highly suspect that is contains more than just salt water. They do not disclose the ingredients of either vaccine, so the saline "shot" could still contain the adjuvants which are the metals and chemicals that make vaccines more "effective".

I want to see the break down of each vaccine used in this study. Where can I find the ingredients of the saline shot?

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No, there hasn't been, nor can you cite any study calling Hep A a placebo.

No one cares what you "suspect" -- it's up to you to *prove* that saline is more than salt water.
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[marplots]

I admire his skepticism. But it comes off as hypocritical when the same sword isn't wielded at the whole "natural foodstuffs" riff. You need a double blind for that. I mean, life spans are up in parallel with the rise of industrialized foodstuffs, so there's at least a question about whether or not fresh vegetables or potatoes were actually more toxic than current consumables.

If you are going to shine the spotlight of conspiracy around, better make it a broader beam. After all, there's a whole industry that wants me to pay for higher priced items because they claim unsubstantiated health benefits. I suspect that nature is out to kill me and man-made, highly processed is the right way to go.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

I admire his skepticism. But it comes off as hypocritical when the same sword isn't wielded at the whole "natural foodstuffs" riff. You need a double blind for that. I mean, life spans are up in parallel with the rise of industrialized foodstuffs, so there's at least a question about whether or not fresh vegetables or potatoes were actually more toxic than current consumables.

If you are going to shine the spotlight of conspiracy around, better make it a broader beam. After all, there's a whole industry that wants me to pay for higher priced items because they claim unsubstantiated health benefits. I suspect that nature is out to kill me and man-made, highly processed is the right way to go.

First off I'm not here to "better make it a broader beam" i didn't come here to appease anyone, I'm very forward and blunt, I do not sugar coat.

second.. your paranoia, is a turn off to anyone. its good to be aware but you're noid about the wrong things. You should be worried about the processed foods. You are arse backwards.

Actually the cost of organic food would be less expensive, if it was more popular to use composting instead of sometimes harsh fertilizers that contaminate our soil and water. Farmers that are local will often sell their organic foods for a lot cheaper than conventional grown corporate crops.

Unsubstantiated health benefits? Are you kidding me? I'm never sick!

It was all the petroleum and other harsh chemicals that were keeping my immune system low so that I could get sick easier.

I can afford organic foods, cause I do NOT eat out, I eat out maybe once every few months, I cook most of my meals from scratch, organic ingredients, besides, its not "that" much more to buy REAL food, instead of having to pay a little for FAKE food that gets you sick.

 

[TSR]

hey.. why don't you direct your topic, in a whole new post, great idea maybe someone will give a craap.. i'll come there.. NEVER and talk to you about WORDS when I'm dead..

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Okay, so you don't know that there's a difference. Why don't you learn what that difference is?

How about some *evidence* about your claim regarding pre-vaccine polio infection rates?

How some "evidence" about any time during recorded history (most of which excludes the use of vaccine) when the expected lifespan was 120 years?

How about some "evidence" about what is significantly physiologically different between "man" and, say "chimp"?
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[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

But anyways.​

Vaccines. Where did we leave off? Before the "I don't eat potatoes because they're full of deadly toxins" part. I think we had just (almost) established that all chemicals are toxins, and that all that matters is the dosage. Is that right?

nope, you had established nothing, not all chemicals are a like.

we're talking about two different types of chemicals altogether...

one type is taken by the gut = that would be food

another type is taken by the arm = that would be the vaccine

vaccines act differently than food does, why? cause for one, we digest foods through our gut, we do not digest vaccines through our gut.

so regardless of the doseage, being in the arm, is going to harm the body more than in the gut, the gut has greater defenses, the arm does not.

water is not a toxin

it can be bad for your body and you could drown in water, but its not the molecules of the water that are hurting you, its the fact that you can't breathe cause you have something in your throat clogging your air ways

 

[TSR]

so regardless of the doseage, being in the arm, is going to harm the body more than in the gut, the gut has greater defenses, the arm does not.

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Evidence for this?
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water is not a toxin

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Wrong.
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[TSR]

organic foods are FREE from pesticides..

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wrong again

These data indicate that ... of all samples tested 30 percent contained 1 pesticide, and slightly over 40 percent contained more than 1 pesticide. ”
—USDA, Pesticide Data Program

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[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Would this be a good time to mention that potatoes and other food crops are grown in soil, and that the most common minerals in soil are feldspars?

Feldspars contain aluminum!

So potatoes and all other foods contain aluminum!

Won't someone think of the children eating all of those foods full of aluminum!

Plus naturally occurring formaldehyde, and other things.

Edit to add: Just noticed he spelled rabies and tetanus wrong also: "get a rabis shot? a tetnus shot?"

whats the harm in chemicals in our foods? a lot that you don't even know about yet... but maybe in time you'll learn.

What is bad, is ALUMINUM being injected into newborns arms

that is MUCH DIFFERENT than EATING it.. through the gut.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

For the benefit of lurkers, on the subject of organic pesticides

Since this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine given the number of people who believe organic food isn't subjected to pesticides, I have taken the liberty of running a LMGTFY search on organic pesticides.

Eat your heart out

I especially liked the second link, "An overview of some common garden pesticides". Have a closer look at the miracles SaveAmerica and his ilk don't even know exist:

Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis)

Ingredients: bacteria. There are more than 80 types of Bt used as pesticides
Application: Generally available in powdered form that is sprinkled or dusted on a plant. It must be eaten by the targeted insect.
How It Works: Bt is a stomach poison. It releases toxins in the stomachs of susceptible insects which cause them to stop eating and starve.

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Pyrethrins

Ingredients: Derived from Chrysanthemum cinerariifolium
Application: Generally found in powder form and dusted on leaves.
How It Works: Poisons the insect, causing a quick death
Pros: Quick acting. Low toxicity to animals. Degrades within a day.
Cons: Broad spectrum insecticide. Kills any insect. Very toxic to honeybees Precautions: Use cautiously, only when you have a major problem with hard-to-kill insects.
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Sabadilla

Ingredients: Ground seeds of the sabadilla lily
Application: Comes as a fine powder and used as a spray
How It Works: Acts as a stomach poison Pros: Very effective against the true bugs (members of the Hemiptera order)
Cons: Highly toxic to bees. Very irritating to the mucus membranes of mammals Precautions: Use as a last resort Potassium Bicarbonate

Ingredients: Potassium bicarbonate usually combined with horticultural oil and / or a substance to improve spreading and coverage of the leaves. There are commercially available products such as GreenCure® and Kaligreen, or you can prepare your own. Note: Baking soda or sodium bicarbonate is often recommend for similar fungus problems, however research has shown potassium bicarbonate works better and is safer on plants.
Application: Spray at the first sign of disease or use as a preventative before infection.
How It Works: It’s still unclear, but it appears that bicarbonates can damage the cell wall and possible create a pH that is not conducive to further fungal growth. The effect is immediate.
Pros:

• Lasts 2 - 3 weeks as a preventative.
• You can use on vegetables up to harvest.

Cons: Can burn plants, especially if used in full sun.
Precautions: Check label and test on a small area before spraying entire plant.​

Isn't organic farming great? No poisons, no toxins, no damage to anything, except when, you know, pesticides are used. Which they are, in abundance, because apparently they are far less effective than the tried-and-tested industrial counterparts which are far more effective and less dangerous.

It continues to baffle me how absurd "organic farming" is. As someone said in an article (The Omnivore's Delusion, I think it was called), very few of the proponents of organic farming would ever dream of inflicting such harsh measures on themselves. How many businesses would go "organic" the same way, using counting frames instead of calculators or computers?

OK, I think this settles it. This person is not serious.

Doesn't matter if he's serious or not, if he has the arrogance to not even admit he's spelled a word wrong, he's not going to change his mind on anything else.
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