Its not your thread Jammo...........we will discuss what we like so long as the thread originator is ok with it. I saw with my own eyes that the pile of debris of the WTC towers was anything but flat. I resent being called a liar. Pictures have been posted that absolutely proof that you were wrong to say it was flat.
Time to retract your statement
We are at impasse. I also saw what was called "the pile" and I was taken in by that description. I was perplexed that a long ladder was extended above it, pointed downward so as to conduct the dousing (of the effects of DEW) that went on day-in-and-day-out for several years (you read that correctly). In any event, one had to look down in order to see anything.
Here is a photo that shows the extended ladder with hose pointing
DOWNWARD on 9/11 itself. That is both characteristic and symbolic that the pile had no height to it at all.
I know from experience that there is an emotional attachment to finding height at GZ where none exists. People argued 'til they were
blue in the face that flat photos showed height; that missing height was accounted for by unseen and unproven underground collections, despite the fact the subbasements were all
INTACT and largely undamaged and had no meaningful debris in them.
When that LIDAR data proved, by its own scaling that almost all of GZ was <2 storys, there was a momentary shock of recognition amongst some posters, as I recall the GZ thread, but then denial and rationalization seemed to reginerate themselves. That, perhaps, was the most interesting development I observed in that thread.
Your claim you are being called a "liar" is, ironically, perhaps, incorrect, to put it no more harshly than that, at least not by me.
I don't know why people here think disagreement and the basing of disagreement on documentation, photographic, testimonial and otherwise, result in claims of "liar".
Let me be clear I am not now and characteristically have not called anyone a liar. Sure, there may be some post here or there that may be interpreted that way, so, I won't say I've never done that; but, I will here say that I characteristically do not find it necessary to call people "liar." Disagreement with what someone posts is not the same as calling them a liar, imho. Furthermore, misinterpretation around here is rampant. People read into posts what they want to read into them, just as the eye sees what it wants to see.
There are people who appear to be walking, talking "lie detectors" ever on the lookout for something to which they can attach that word. Posters, by and large, do not realize in the least that what they post says something about them and nothing whatever about any other poster. That is a basic, elementary fact; yet, few seem to know it; or, if they do, to realize the signficance of it.
9/11, and the attachment to the common storyline, have a strong emotional base. People do not like having to confront the possibility that their "belief" in the common storyline might be misplaced.
What I am doing is almost entirely centered in showing information, asking for people to post their experience, and calling attention to the plain fact that 9/11 was never properly investigated nor was a determination of what actually happened ever made in or by any sort of budgeted, staffed and duly authorized investigatory agency that the public could rely on, and point to as being reliable and accurate. Never.
The entire 9/11 investigatory budget, such as it was, was only a fraction of what was spent on investigating what
Bill and what Monica did to, for, with and about each other. Do you know what I am referring to?
Meanwhile, the financial sources for what happened on 9/11 have not ever been determined, let alone who did it. Only recently it has been disclosed, just as a reminder of what we knew anyway, that the 9/11 Commission was "told" not to probe too deeply--"
the specter of NATIONAL SECURITY was invoked to keep the Commission at bay.
Please know that I am not calling you a liar. But, the picture posted above, showing the hose pointing downward, is also consistent with what I saw. GZ was flat.
