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Noah's Ark found?

pgwenthold said:
So faith is evidence that doesn't exist yet?

I don't know where you found the word "yet" in that part, btw.
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From faith. You have to have faith that the evidence really are forthcoming.

Yes, this argument seems a bit roundish in shape to me too...
 
154 said:
There is more than ample enough evidence to substantiate Faith, even though it may fall short of "proof," for any honest, open, willing seeker.
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Certainly if one has faith, one will find all sorts of evidence that is consistent with one's faith. However, in some cases, it may be necessary to reject the rest of the evidence.


If you find a rock, and the evidence of your senses tells you that the rock is 3 billion years old, you will reject that evidence because it contradicts your faith.

The evidence available to our senses tells us, through careful study, that the world is several billion years old and was never covered completely with water. You reject that, even though the creator of the universe put it there for you. I don't understand why.
 
154 said:
My asking you for your position, which I knew you would be reluctant to deal with, has no relevance to mine, now does it?

There is more than ample enough evidence to substantiate Faith, even though it may fall short of "proof," for any honest, open, willing seeker.
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I disagree. The "evidence" is stories in an old book. You believe the Bible is true, because the Bible says it is true, it's circular.

If you need evidence for your belief, than you don't have faith, faith is belief without the need for evidence.
 
Radrook said:
What's the biblical definition of faith and where do you find it?
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That's a good question. If you believe countless preachers, who claim they speak for god, than religious faith simply doesn't require any evidence, and no amount of argument or reason can sway the belief of someone who has the proper amount of faith. As to the question of where exactly this is addressed in the bible, there are a lot of scholars here who know the bible far better than the Christians who visit, perhaps one of them can provide the answer.

ETA: I see that this has been addressed.

Also, yet again, we see someone offering stories from the bible as evidence that the bible is true. It isn't evidence, it's circular.
 
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Radrook said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH
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Radrook is back! Hey, Radrook, I think this now makes six times (seven? I've lost count) that you have failed to answer my simple question about your bizarre claims. Here, we'll make it multiple choice:

A: Man, you're right, my idea makes no sense. Let me think about this.
B: Hmm. You're right. Must have been a miracle!
B: Hah! Caught me! I was just randomly making stuff up.
C: Sorry I took so long. My answer is _____________________.
 
So how about that ark? I noticed in one photo that even the straw was still there.
 
Belz... said:
You were not asking for a definition, you were dodging.
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What did I dodge?

Now tell us about your use of the words "race" and "chosen." Again, what do you mean, you weasely coward?
Unless you are afraid to explain your own words.
 
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154 said:
What did I dodge?

Now tell us about your use of the words "race" and "chosen." Again, what do you mean, you weasely coward?
Unless you are afraid to explain your own words.
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Weasely coward?


Well, at any rate, if you are so inclined, I wonder if you would like to address my earlier question. I referred earlier to a story told by the creator of the universe. (For lack of a better term, we'll call it God.) The Psalms say, "The heavens are telling the glory of God. The wonder of his works displays the firmament." So, why ignore what the heavens are telling us? They are telling us that they are very, very, old. That tale is one that is not transmitted or translated by men. That tale comes directly from God. Why ignore it?

Likewise with the rocks of the Earth. They, too, have a tale to tell. They tell a tale of great age and no deluge. Why ignore that tale? The authorship of the Bible is not universally accepted, but everyone agrees who made the rocks. We might have disputes about the nature of the force that created the rocks, but we all agree that the same force that created man created the rocks. How can you so blithely ignore their story?
 
154, you asked what you dodged:
This is a glaring example:
Do you believe all the bible stories to be literally true?
You say no-one told you the bible is the word of god: that is a lie.
Anybody who has heard of the bible knows it is claimed to be a holy book. Where did you find it to read it, if you truly hadn't heard it was the word of god?


Unless you are afraid to explain your own words...
 
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Youre not still trying to get a straight answer out of the fundies are you

They lie to themselves everyday to bolster their faith, what makes you think theyre even capable of being honest when pushed to it

;)
 
kerikiwi said:
154, you asked what you dodged:
This is a glaring example:
Do you believe all the bible stories to be literally true?
You say no-one told you the bible is the word of god: that is a lie.
Anybody who has heard of the bible knows it is claimed to be a holy book. Where did you find it to read it, if you truly hadn't heard it was the word of god?


Unless you are afraid to explain your own words...
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Now I'm wondering what church he goes to. The one with the preacher that doesn't claim that the bible is the word of god. It follows that his church couldn't possibly believe all the stories are true, since they are not claiming they are the word of god.
 
No time to read thread, need quick answer - is it really Noah's Ark? :D
 
Simon39759 said:
In reality, the method of science is all about scientists looking at each other research for any sign of weakness or mistake. It can even sometime be quite harsh...
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Science - red in tooth and claw. It drives the evolution of knowledge.
 
Marcus said:
That's a good question. If you believe countless preachers, who claim they speak for god, than religious faith simply doesn't require any evidence, and no amount of argument or reason can sway the belief of someone who has the proper amount of faith. As to the question of where exactly this is addressed in the bible, there are a lot of scholars here who know the bible far better than the Christians who visit, perhaps one of them can provide the answer.

ETA: I see that this has been addressed.

Also, yet again, we see someone offering stories from the bible as evidence that the bible is true. It isn't evidence, it's circular.
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Whether it's circular or not or evidence or not is irrelevasnt. What is relevant is that it was and is necessary for their faith as Peter pointed out.
 
pgwenthold said:
So faith is evidence that doesn't exist yet?

I don't know where you found the word "yet" in that part, btw.
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If the things are unseen, and are hoped for and are expected, then that means they are as yet not reality. That's where the word "yet" comes from.
 
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