Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Charlie Wilkes said:
I'm not clear on how that door works, which is one reason I posted the pictures. Would it be necessary to stand outside the door and turn the key, or could you turn the key and remove it from the lock on the inside and then pull the door shut behind you?
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No, it's like a deadbolt. You would have to turn the key from the outside after you closed the door.
 
I believe we talked about this on another forum and the door can be locked from the inside and pulled closed. The bottom bolt is the same as the top bolt. Not positive on this.
 
Mary_H said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't really recall anyone coming on here and asserting that Rudy locked the door. Didn't the discussion begin because Fulcanelli claimed the evidence showed Rudy did NOT lock the door? Are you trying to respond to an argument that nobody made?

It has already been explained that footprints in front of Meredith's door, including any Rudy might have left, had been cleaned up. Not to mention the FACT that Rudy could have locked the door without standing in front of it.
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You, Mary, have certainly asserted exactly that.

My response, I dare say, quoted the argument I was responding to. Any time you'd care to address the argument, rather than attempt to deflect (red herring?) - that is, a distinct lack of footprints showing Rudy stopped to close/lock the door - that would be appreciated.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
I believe we talked about this on another forum and the door can be locked from the inside and pulled closed. The bottom bolt is the same as the top bolt. Not positive on this.
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The door requires a key to be locked, either from the inside or the outside. Charlie's pictures show this quite well.



(on a related noted, Charlie...you might want to see if you can get a mod to mark those pictures as being graphic...)
 
BobTheDonkey said:
You, Mary, have certainly asserted exactly that.

My response, I dare say, quoted the argument I was responding to. Any time you'd care to address the argument, rather than attempt to deflect (red herring?) - that is, a distinct lack of footprints showing Rudy stopped to close/lock the door - that would be appreciated.
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I just addressed it.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
The door requires a key to be locked, either from the inside or the outside. Charlie's pictures show this quite well.



(on a related noted, Charlie...you might want to see if you can get a mod to mark those pictures as being graphic...)
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The question remains whether or not the bolt was spring loaded and could be pulled closed from the outside. Most likely the door is a typical deadbolt.
 
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Mary_H said:
I just addressed it.
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Yes, Mary, it is a fact that doors can be closed and locked without turning around.

Do you have any evidence that this is what Rudy did? Any kind of footprint evidence?

As for the footprints being cleaned up, as was mentioned before - pictures were taken before they were cleaned up. Thus, we should have a good record of any footprints from Rudy showing he stopped to lock the door. Edit: We don't have those footprints, so the best we can say is "someone" locked the door shut. We don't know who, but there is no evidence to support it was Rudy. Meanwhile, we have evidence that supports the theory that it was Amanda (her footprint facing the door), even if this is not conclusive evidence, it is a far cry more evidence than exists that Rudy stopped to shut/lock the door.
 
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BobTheDonkey said:
Yes, Mary, it is a fact that doors can be closed and locked without turning around.

Do you have any evidence that this is what Rudy did? Any kind of footprint evidence?

As for the footprints being cleaned up, as was mentioned before - pictures were taken before they were cleaned up. Thus, we should have a good record of any footprints from Rudy showing he stopped to lock the door. Edit: We don't have those footprints, so the best we can say is "someone" locked the door shut. We don't know who, but there is no evidence to support it was Rudy. Meanwhile, we have evidence that supports the theory that it was Amanda (her footprint facing the door), even if this is not conclusive evidence, it is a far cry more evidence than exists that Rudy stopped to shut/lock the door.
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Dream on. Did Amanda stand on one foot to lock the door? If not, then where is her other footprint?

If she left that footprint when she locked the door, where are the footprints she left after she took her shower? They seem to be missing, no doubt because of the clean-up that was done -- the same clean-up that removed Rudy's prints from in front of the door.

There is much more evidence that Rudy locked the door, because we know Rudy was in the room and that he got his hands bloody. There is blood on the door handle. There is no evidence that Amanda ever had blood on her hands.
 
Mary_H said:
Dream on. Did Amanda stand on one foot to lock the door? If not, then where is her other footprint?

If she left that footprint when she locked the door, where are the footprints she left after she took her shower? They seem to be missing, no doubt because of the clean-up that was done -- the same clean-up that removed Rudy's prints from in front of the door.

There is much more evidence that Rudy locked the door, because we know Rudy was in the room and that he got his hands bloody. There is blood on the door handle. There is no evidence that Amanda ever had blood on her hands.
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No blood on the outside of the door, Mary. So, he didn't pull the door shut with the outside handle. But, that's just details, I suppose...

Did we find all of Rudy's shoeprints to have be part of a matching set? If only one of Amanda's feet was wet, would she have left two footprints? How did Rudy/Raffaele only manage to leave one footprint in the bathroom?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
No blood on the outside of the door, Mary. So, he didn't pull the door shut with the outside handle. But, that's just details, I suppose...
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From the pictures, it looks like he pulled it shut with the side of the knob/lock apparatus. There may have been blood on the outside handle originally, but with so many people trying it, it may have gotten rubbed off. Looks like it was pretty dark in that hallway -- nobody noticed the bloody footprints at first, either.

Did we find all of Rudy's shoeprints to have be part of a matching set? If only one of Amanda's feet was wet, would she have left two footprints? How did Rudy/Raffaele only manage to leave one footprint in the bathroom?
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I do not know the answers to these questions.

Well, it's been fun, but I needs must hit the hay. More later.
 
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How did Rudy/Raffaele only manage to leave one footprint in the bathroom?

He removed his right shoe to wash it under the bidet. It's the only explanation that makes sense, regardless of who you think left it there. It explains the print, and it fits with the blood circling the drain of the bidet and the trail of diluted blood drops that run from the drain to the rim of the basin.
 
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