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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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christianahannah said:
I believe the suspicions of the police against Amanda were raised the very first day they questioned her (November 2) when she told them her account of entering her flat that morning.

According to her November 6 memorandum, Amanda writes:

1. I know the police are confused as to why it took me so long to call someone after I found the door to my house open and blood in the bathroom.

If Amanda's story of what she did when entering her flat raised suspicions I would imagine the police questioned her also that first day as to her activities the day before and night of the murder.
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She wrote that after the interrogation. There is no way to tell whether she is responding to questioning that happened before or during the interrogation.
 
bucketoftea said:
We have no idea what she was questioned about and when but I'm pretty sure they asked what she was doing the night before (because, oddly, that is when the murder took place). You reasoning is amusing. It's the police's fault she "can't remember"because they didn't question her enough?
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Anything about what is the "fault" of the police does not follow from what I wrote.

There is no more evidence for the claim that the police asked Amanda what she did the night of the 1st than there is evidence that they did not. Once they had been informed Amanda had spent the night at Raffaele's, they would have no reason to ask her what she did there.

Especially if she was not a suspect.
 
Mary_H said:
Thank you. :)



There is no point to using the footprints as evidence Rudy didn't lock the door. I can easily start my way out the door, remember it needs locking, and reach around and lock it without moving my feet; I do it all the time. No, I don't use a key, but if I were practiced enough, I would be able to do that, too.

I don't think the point of locking Meredith's door was to keep other people out; it was to keep Meredith in. He took her cell phones so she wouldn't call for help; he locked her door so she wouldn't go for help. He was hoping she was not dead.
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You would need practice to use the key, but Rudy had no practice, not his house.
 
Malkmus said:
I don't think not locking the front door has much bearing on the scenario. Rudy didn't necessarily know that by not locking the front door it would be opened later by the wind. I'm sure his main concern was keeping people out of Meredith's room. Locking the front door wouldn't stop anyone from entering the cottage, but locking Meredith's door would certainly keep people from entering her room.
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Except the evidence clearly shows he didn't lock it and there's no way around that.
 
Fulcanelli said:
It's inconceivable that they wouldn't have done.

And we know they did, because Raffaele was called in on the evening of the 5th regarding 'inconsistencies' (which implies with 'details') in his earlier statements and those inconsistencies must have been in regard to the evening of the 1st Nov, otherwise he wouldn't have suddenly changed his story about 'that' evening. Therefore, we can conclude that he'd already previously given at least one 'detailed' statement about his activities and movements on the night of the 1st Nov before his questioning on the 5th. If he had previously given a detailed statement about the night of the 1st, then so would have Amanda, as the police wouldn't have taken a detailed statement from one and not the other.
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This is sheer speculation. Judging from what was written and said after their interrogations, it is more likely the "inconsistencies" were the police's false claims that Amanda's story didn't match Raffaele's, not that Raffaele himself had been inconsistent.
 
Mary H said:
There is no point to using the footprints as evidence Rudy didn't lock the door. I can easily start my way out the door, remember it needs locking, and reach around and lock it without moving my feet; I do it all the time. No, I don't use a key, but if I were practiced enough, I would be able to do that, too.
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Really, you are joking? You are trying to realistically argue, that he stepped out of the room and with his back to the door (the hinge end rather then the door handle end) he stopped dead, too k the key out of his pocket and then keeping his back to the door shut it with his elongated rubber arms stretched out behind his back, then still with his back to the door slid the key into the lock and locked it(all without squirming on his feet and facing down the corridor towards the front door the whole time)...do you write this rubbish with a straight face?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Really, you are joking? You are trying to realistically argue, that he stepped out of the room and with his back to the door (the hinge end rather then the door handle end) he stopped dead, too k the key out of his pocket and then keeping his back to the door shut it with his elongated rubber arms stretched out behind his back, then still with his back to the door slid the key into the lock and locked it(all without squirming on his feet and facing down the corridor towards the front door the whole time)...do you write this rubbish with a straight face?
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I just tried it. Easy as pie.
 
Mary H said:
There is no more evidence for the claim that the police asked Amanda what she did the night of the 1st than there is evidence that they did not. Once they had been informed Amanda had spent the night at Raffaele's, they would have no reason to ask her what she did there.
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Clearly you didn't read my earlier post.

Either you have absolutely no idea of how police work in a murder enquiry and the information they are interested in or you are assuming/hoping the rest of us here are clueless. Probably both.
 
Mary_H said:
This is sheer speculation. Judging from what was written and said after their interrogations, it is more likely the "inconsistencies" were the police's false claims that Amanda's story didn't match Raffaele's, not that Raffaele himself had been inconsistent.
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No. It's deduction and a clear pattern of logic. C follows B which in turn follows A. Clearly, it's all rather over your head.
 
Fulcanelli said:
Great. In which case we can write off the last shred of any credibility you had.
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Have you tried it? Stand at the hinge side of a door, facing away, and without moving your feet, turn your body and reach for the key or area where a key would be under the doorknob. No rubber arms necessary. And Rudy has several inches on me, plus he was a basketball player.
 
Mary_H said:
I can easily start my way out the door, remember it needs locking, and reach around and lock it without moving my feet; I do it all the time.
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I call shenanigans.

This is another in an unbelievably long line of complete fabrications. You don't do that all the time; nobody does.

It might be a good idea, some time, to re-read your posts before submitting them. It will save you from embarrassment.
 
Mary_H said:
Have you tried it? Stand at the hinge side of a door, facing away, and without moving your feet, turn your body and reach for the key or area where a key would be under the doorknob. No rubber arms necessary. And Rudy has several inches on me, plus he was a basketball player.
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What? Is this a special technique employed by basketball players when locking, not only their own doors, but also doors inside houses where they don't live?

Do you believe one shred of anything you post?
 
stilicho said:
What? Is this a special technique employed by basketball players when locking, not only their own doors, but also doors inside houses where they don't live?

Do you believe one shred of anything you post?
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I take it you still haven't tried it. It takes much less skill than bending or squatting and reaching around a guard to pass the ball to one of your teammates.
 
Mary_H said:
Have you tried it? Stand at the hinge side of a door, facing away, and without moving your feet, turn your body and reach for the key or area where a key would be under the doorknob. No rubber arms necessary. And Rudy has several inches on me, plus he was a basketball player.
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I just tried it too and it was quite easy and did not seem awkward at all. I was surprised - it sounds like more unnatural than it is.

I can't honestly say I do it all the time as I go out the garage/car door the vast majority of the time.

Does anyone know if this argument made it in the Massei Report?
 
Juror said:
I just tried it too and it was quite easy and did not seem awkward at all. I was surprised - it sounds like more unnatural than it is.

I can't honestly say I do it all the time as I go out the garage/car door the vast majority of the time.

Does anyone know if this argument made it in the Massei Report?
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Well, Fulcanelli says the evidence PROVES Rudy did not lock the door, so I guess it must be in there. ;)
 
stilicho said:
Mary says she does it all the time.
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STILL haven't tried it yet, stilicho? What are you waiting for? Actually, what I said was, I can easily start my way out the door, remember it needs locking, and reach around and lock it without moving my feet; I do it all the time.

I then did a different test by standing at the hinge end, with my feet facing away from the door and turning to reach the keyhole. I did not keep my back to the door, as Fulcanelli suggested; no one would.
 
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