Merged Scenes From The War On Drugs

Schrodinger's Cat said:
I also read an article years ago in Rolling Stone about a senator who had been there for the congressional hearings to illegalize ecstacy. He talked about how the senators were shown videos taken from underground raves that showed people using ecstacy. He describes how the person presenting the video states, "As you can see, the drug is really kicking in. The users are now dancing and giving eachother massages." The senator talks about how he was sitting in his chair rolling his eyes and thinking, "Dancing? Massages? Oh dear God, ANYTHING but that!"
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It's really odd that for many people there's something wrong with a chemically-enhanced euphoria. Goes for booze too.
 
WildCat said:
It's really odd that for many people there's something wrong with a chemically-enhanced euphoria. Goes for booze too.
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For that matter, it's really odd that for many people, there is something wrong with anything that will make people a little too outwardly excited and joyful; drugs, sex, rock music, etc.
 
Schrodinger's Cat said:
For that matter, it's really odd that for many people, there is something wrong with anything that will make people a little too outwardly excited and joyful; drugs, sex, rock music, etc.
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It's like a conservative version of progressive taxation. Except instead of taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor, destroying the money and sending the rich to jail.
edit: and shoot their dogs.
 
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The cops went way out of line in this one. But this is a conspiracy... how?
 
The part where the family realizes they shot the dogs is just heartbreaking. it actually brought tears to my eyes.

Even if you think pot SHOULD be illegal, who in their right mind authorizes this kind of force for possession over WEED?

BTW, here is the phone # for MO police dept internal affairs division: 573-874-7606. City Manager: (573) 874-7214

From Radley Balko at reason.com:

"They found a "small amount" of marijuana, enough for a misdemeanor charge. The parents were then charged with child endangerment.

So smoking pot = "child endangerment." Storming a home with guns, then firing bullets into the family pets as a child looks on = necessary police procedures to ensure everyone's safety.

Just so we're clear."
 
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coalesce said:
As much as I am morally opposed to drug use, and even though I've never used them and have no desire to try them, I'm beginning to lean this way.

This should accomplish three things: Take away the profit motive from the private sector (no need to buy from the guys on the corner), collect taxes for all levels of government and ensure uniformity in manufacturing quality (providing the federal government is involved the manufacturing process.)

Michael
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One other thing is the relieve on the judicial system by freeing the small time users from jail.
 
When incidents like this happen I have two conflicting feelings. Part of me wishes I was there so I could have shot them. Part of me is glad I wasn't there because I would have shot them.:mad::)
 
When incidents like this happen I have two conflicting feelings. Part of me wishes I was there so I could have shot them. Part of me is glad I wasn't there because I would have shot them.:mad::)
 
Rolfe sits back and waits for the crew who thought it was absolutely fine to shoot a man who came to the aid of a horribly wounded journalist in Iraq, to line up to excuse this little episode....
 
Rolfe said:
Rolfe sits back and waits for the crew who thought it was absolutely fine to shoot a man who came to the aid of a horribly wounded journalist in Iraq, to line up to excuse this little episode....
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Because they're exactly the same thing!

ffs
 
Update: police department, who would be held liable if they concluded the officers did anything wrong, instead decides to conclude that they did not do anything wrong.

“The actions of the officers who made entry into the residence were evaluated based upon Columba Police Department policy, applicable state laws and the information they had available to them at the time,” Burton said. “These are the only criteria by which the actions of these officers can be evaluated fairly.”
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Note that "the information they had available to them at the time" included 'one of the dogs in in a cage, and the other one is a corgi'.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Finger on problem. Mislabeling of problem leads to inappropriate solution.

Not just conflating two different problems, but the entire vagueness of the second of those two issues.

DR
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Actually this looks more like a massive case of CYA rather than anything else. Sadly, most services - especially the US - are unwilling or unable to say "Sorry - we effed up and will endeavour to ensure it does not happen again" when they drop the ball

My stance on drugs is pretty clear (if not, read the other thread about it!!) - but this is absolutley inexcusable. It is not a "conspiracy" it is an incompetent f#$k up and needs addressing.
 
coalesce said:
As much as I am morally opposed to drug use, and even though I've never used them and have no desire to try them, I'm beginning to lean this way.

This should accomplish three things: Take away the profit motive from the private sector (no need to buy from the guys on the corner), collect taxes for all levels of government and ensure uniformity in manufacturing quality (providing the federal government is involved the manufacturing process.)

Michael
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Don't forget these;

Reduce the inmate population by 55%.

End the arrest of otherwise innocent people, who have to pay large fines, lose their jobs and sometimes their civil rights. Another added arrest every 17 seconds.

Save an estimated $80 Billion a year in federal, state and local government budgets.

Assist the economy by creating a new commodity and creating jobs. (Namely, marijuana)
 
Without Rights said:
Assist the economy by creating a new commodity and creating jobs. (Namely, marijuana)
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See this is what is always comes down to - people want to toke. "Legalise all drugs" usually comes from MJ users/activists

Do I use it? No. Have I ever? No. Will I ever? No.

Do I see the harm in it? A little, although it has to be said MJ is by far the least problematic substance for people to escape reality with.

However, those who want to legalise ALL drugs I have a BIG issue with.

They wreck lives, families and cause massive increases in crime - not because they are illegal or impure but because they are a voracious cancer that consumes everything about a person leaving them a shell.

"Hard drugs" should get hard sentences.

Pot I could truthfully care less about
 
Lolly said:
Just on the issue of decriminalizing or legalizing illicit drugs. They go on about how drugs are such a menace now, but you used to be able to buy them at the chemist. You could buy pain relievers which were morphine based and slimming tablets which were amphetamines or something like that.
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You mean things like this...




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Brian-M said:
You mean things like this...
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I'm not quite that old.:D

We used to have a bottle of chlorodyne which was some kind of opium mixture for when you had stomach cramps. It was made a scheduled drug at some stage, but before that you could buy it at the chemist. And I seem to remember the diet pills they sold when I was a kid were also taken off the market because they were some kind of "upper". I seem to recall there being a bit of press when they banned them because people had been addicted to them and had trouble coming off them.

I'm only going from memory so I could be wrong about the diet pills, but the chlorodyne was definitely some kind of opiate. When I was a First Aid Officer, I came across a bottle in the first aid kit at work in the 1980s and was told by a pharmacist then that it was a scheduled drug and had been for some time. The bottle had been lurking in the first aid kit since the 50s/60s and nobody'd ever bothered discarding the old medications until I did the clear out/restock.
 
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