Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Fulcanelli said:
I'm starting to think you two should maybe get a room or something.



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We know that is all certain posters think about! :)

I think a 'street person' would actually steer very clear. I thought they have a very good idea of who is real and who is not.
 
Too Funny Fulcanelli!

Originally Posted by Mary H
"Of course, you are correct, RWVBWL."
Originally posted by Fulcanelli:
"I'm starting to think you two should maybe get a room or something."

And I, RWVBWL say,
"Afterwards, lets get a case of beer, and quart of Jack, and get together at a table with "the Guilter's" and shoot the ******

Thanks for the laugh Fulcanelli on a overcast, gloomy day here at the beach in Los Angeles...
RWVBWL
 
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RWVBWL said:
Too Funny Fulcanelli!

Originally Posted by Mary H
"Of course, you are correct, RWVBWL."
Originally posted by Fulcanelli:
"I'm starting to think you two should maybe get a room or something."

And I, RWVBWL say,
"Afterwards, lets get a case of beer, and quart of Jack, and get together at a table with "the Guilter's" and shoot the ******

Thanks for the laugh Fulcanelli on a overcast, gloomy day here at the beach in Los Angeles...
RWVBWL
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And I say that is the most awesome invitation I've had in a long time! (Except for the part about the Guilters.) :)
 
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Fulcanelli said:
It's fine, if you go up to the station with a lawyer in tow. But, if in mid interview, you suddenly state 'I'm not answering anymore questions without a lawyer', then you'll be classed as no longer co-operating. They'll have to stop the interview...the lawyer will turn up and tell you not to say anything. You will have moved from 'witness' to what could be considered 'hostile witness', thereby, they will make you a suspect. And by doing so, they pass you on to a higher authority, a judge...who has greater powers.

Understand...you have only a short window to speak to the police in Italy...that's you're opportunity to tell them the truth and convince them. That's what innocent people want to do.
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Thanks Fulcanelli for answering my question. I think the wise choice would be to have a lawyer when questioned, whether one is completely innocent (or not). Especially so, when one is in a foreign country. I would hope that having a lawyer present wouldn't prejudice authorities to one's innocence or guilt.
 
Fulcanelli said:
It's only Amanda's diary that's fragmented. Full translations of Raffaele's and Rudy's diaries are available.
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Here is a copy of Raffaele's letters from prison, in Italian. If you paste it into the search bar on Google you can ask it to translate the page and get the gist of it. Then you can find out what he really said about the interrogation, about the lies the police told and that he was sure Amanda had spent the whole night with him.

http://quotidianonet.ilsole24ore.com/cronaca/2007/12/08/53233-amanda_meredith.shtml
 
Mary_H said:
Here is a copy of Raffaele's letters from prison, in Italian. If you paste it into the search bar on Google you can ask it to translate the page and get the gist of it. Then you can find out what he really said about the interrogation, about the lies the police told and that he was sure Amanda had spent the whole night with him.

http://quotidianonet.ilsole24ore.com/cronaca/2007/12/08/53233-amanda_meredith.shtml
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Mary,

As a professional translator I must warn you that Google Translate is very unreliable. Perhaps if the source sentences are at kindergarten level and if the sentence structures between the source and the target languages are similar that you will get something coherent. Otherwise you are better off not using Google Translate.

Amazer
 
Fulcanelli said:
This was one version of Rudy's statement to Mignini that Rudy made in late March 2008. It was reported in the media...whether it's correct or not I don't know. What is certain, is that several different versions of Rudy's statements were reported.
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It sounds unreliable to me. Without anything better, I'd have to remain pretty sceptical.

Fulcanelli said:
If you want the actual word for word statement posted, a good person to ask is Charlie Wilkes, since he claims to be in possession of the whole case file.
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Cool!

How about it, Charlie? Cough it up.

@HB: I know you were being ironic about RG making up stories based on what he'd heard in the media. As we know, he wouldn't have been the only one of the three to have done that.

Still, I'd rather see the exact quote from a translated transcript.
 
Hi Stilicho,
Reading your above post had me thinking, for wasn't Guede out on the lam for about a month before getting arrested? In my opinion, he would have had so much more time, in comparison to Mr. Solictio and Miss Knox, to access the media reports to then study the details of the story that was building about the murder of Miss Kercher, that he himself was involved in. Hence wouldn't you think that he had a better chance to develop a good alibi? He would have probably been able to read newspapers, the internet, watch T.V. on any different channel, and heck, even call a friend or two.
I'm suprised he did not do better than the one he gave...
RWVBWL
 
RWVBWL said:
Hi Stilicho,
Reading your above post had me thinking, for wasn't Guede out on the lam for about a month before getting arrested? In my opinion, he would have had so much more time, in comparison to Mr. Solictio and Miss Knox, to access the media reports to then study the details of the story that was building about the murder of Miss Kercher, that he himself was involved in. Hence wouldn't you think that he had a better chance to develop a good alibi? He would have probably been able to read newspapers, the internet, watch T.V. on any different channel, and heck, even call a friend or two.
I'm suprised he did not do better than the one he gave...
RWVBWL
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Rudy was arrested on or about the 19th, although the police had their evidence against him no later than the 17th and probably before. He couldn't claim he wasn't there because of all the evidence against him.

I have no doubt his lawyers handed him Amanda and Raffaele on a silver platter, although he had tried the often-used "bushy-haired stranger" version of the story before he settled on AK and RS.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
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From The Times
March 27, 2008

Meredith Kercher suspect Rudy Guede incriminates other suspects

....Mr Guede, who fled to Germany after the murder but was arrested and extradited back to Italy, has until now claimed that Ms Kercher was attacked by an intruder while he was in the bathroom, and that he then struggled with the intruder, who he did not know and who was armed with a knife. He also said in earlier testimony that he had heard the voice of a woman outside the house.

He has now identified the intruder as Mr Sollecito and the woman as Ms Knox. He continued to maintain yesterday that he was not involved in Ms Kercher's death. Corriere della Sera suggested Mr Guede had decided to speak out against the other two suspects because they had "more or less explicitly pointed the finger of blame at him...."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3629353.ece

I was being facetious about the "bushy-haired stranger" -- it's a cliche.

Interesting that they gave Rudy four months to "think about" who he saw at the crime scene. Do you guys think that's long enough to implant false memories?
 
Mary_H said:
From The Times
March 27, 2008

Meredith Kercher suspect Rudy Guede incriminates other suspects

....Mr Guede, who fled to Germany after the murder but was arrested and extradited back to Italy, has until now claimed that Ms Kercher was attacked by an intruder while he was in the bathroom, and that he then struggled with the intruder, who he did not know and who was armed with a knife. He also said in earlier testimony that he had heard the voice of a woman outside the house.

He has now identified the intruder as Mr Sollecito and the woman as Ms Knox. He continued to maintain yesterday that he was not involved in Ms Kercher's death. Corriere della Sera suggested Mr Guede had decided to speak out against the other two suspects because they had "more or less explicitly pointed the finger of blame at him...."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3629353.ece

I was being facetious about the "bushy-haired stranger" -- it's a cliche.

Interesting that they gave Rudy four months to "think about" who he saw at the crime scene. Do you guys think that's long enough to implant false memories?
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Ahh, so more speculation.

Did Rudy ever claim that his memories of the evening were falsely implanted or suggested to him by the Police?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Ahh, so more speculation.

Did Rudy ever claim that his memories of the evening were falsely implanted or suggested to him by the Police?
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Do you have any idea how attorneys prepare their clients for testimony? Amanda and Raffaelle were already in jail -- the perfect sitting ducks. All Rudy's attorneys had to do was either get Rudy to lie, or persuade him -- the same way the police persuaded Amanda -- that maybe that was Raffaele he saw at the scene, and not just some stranger. If you committed murder and somebody gave you such a well-prepared "out," would you not take it?

How can you trust anything Guede says four months after the crime? Why was THIS his final, acceptable story, and not all the stories he had told up to that time?
 
Mary_H said:
Do you have any idea how attorneys prepare their clients for testimony? Amanda and Raffaelle were already in jail -- the perfect sitting ducks. All Rudy's attorneys had to do was either get Rudy to lie, or persuade him -- the same way the police persuaded Amanda -- that maybe that was Raffaele he saw at the scene, and not just some stranger. If you committed murder and somebody gave you such a well-prepared "out," would you not take it?

How can you trust anything Guede says four months after the crime? Why was THIS his final, acceptable story, and not all the stories he had told up to that time?
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Can you cite those other stories he told?

And, of course, by the same caveat, why should we believe Amanda when she couldn't even keep her story straight for 5 days? ;)
 
Mary_H said:
I was reading on Perugia Shock about Guede's interview with Claudia Matteini and I found this amusing comment:

Anonymous said..."This whole murder case raises one fundamental question for me: Am I the only person left who doesn't write a diary?!" -- December 6, 2008 5:43 PM

http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008/01/confession.html
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A person will do most anything to pass the time in prison. (stolen from The Shawshank Redemption) :D
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Can you cite those other stories he told?
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OH, to be able to put Google links in chronological order!

Here is his first story; I will look for others:

"Mr Guede, who grew up in Perugia from the age of five, allegedly told German police after his arrest: “I am wanted in Italy because of trouble over a girl.” He is said by police to have admitted that he had been to the cottage in Perugia, which Ms Kercher shared with Ms Knox and two Italian female students, but denied that he had been there on the night of the murder. He said that if his fingerprints had been found in the house they dated from his previous visits.

In Mr Guede’s Skype conversation - in which police say that he spoke Italian “with a giveaway Umbrian accent” - he allegedly said that he was aware that he was being hunted, saying that he had left Perugia on November 10 “because I knew they were looking for me. But I had nothing to do with death of Meredith. I knew her and I knew Amanda, I knew both of the girls, you know that too, I've been to their house twice.”

Police say that Mr Guede said he had been to the cottage the last time “a few days before all this business. I was not at their house that evening.” He criticised the police for distributing a photograph of him taken during one of his several detentions for drugs offences and said that descriptions of him as a drugs dealer were incorrect."


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2913150.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

And, of course, by the same caveat, why should we believe Amanda when she couldn't even keep her story straight for 5 days? ;)
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Don't start with me.
 
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So by the 23rd, he had admitted being at the house and having sex with Meredith, but was sitting on the terlit when the murder happened:

"Mr Guede had earlier admitted being in the house on the night of the murder but said an Italian man he did not know had committed the crime.

During a private conversation with a judge in Germany, leaked to Italian newspapers, he claimed he was in the bathroom when he heard Ms Kercher scream and tried to resuscitate her when he found her throat had been slit."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2926812.ece

By the 25th:

"In his latest account Mr Guede said he and Ms Kercher had "kissed and flirted.....We kissed each other a bit, we touched each other a bit, but I didn't rape her". He went to the lavatory because of stomach pains and because he had iPod earphones on he did not hear the assassin enter, though he did hear Ms Kercher screaming. He emerged from the bathroom to see "an Italian I didn't know" stabbing her. The unknown man had said as he fled, "You're in trouble, you black bastard".

Mr Guede also claimed Ms Kercher had managed to whisper the initials "AF" to him , which he took to be those of the murderer and which he claimed he had written on the bedrom wall, although police have revealed no such find. He said he had tried to save Ms Kercher but it was "too late" and he too fled in panic.

Investigators said Ms Guede's version was a "highly improbable fantasy" which among other inconsistencies failed to explain how the supposed "unknown Italian" had entered the house."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2940901.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

November 30th:

"Mr Guede claims that while he was in the house he saw Ms Kercher discover that money was missing from her bedside table, and says she accused Ms Knox (who he did not say was present) of stealing the cash to pay for drugs."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2974731.ece

December 5th:

"Rudy Hermann Guede, the Ivory Coast immigrant suspected of involvement in the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia, has claimed that two people carried out the attack, one of whom he was “confident” he would be able to recognise."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3004740.ece

And on it goes, until March, when he is finally sure it was Amanda and Raffaele. How convenient.
 
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How about this one from December 17th?

"Mr Guede later changed his story to say that there were two killers in the house, not one. One of the men, with whom he said he had fought, was wearing a white cap with a red stripe and had brown hair. He claimed he had tried to staunch Miss Kercher's blood with towels before fleeing in panic. He denied that Miss Knox was present."
 
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