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Noah's Ark found?

SOdhner said:
I know! It's almost like Radrook has absolutely no answer and no way to back up the things that he says in even the most basic way... but I'm sure that can't be it.
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It's almost as if Radrook has been tied up with debugging his infernal computer for the last few days.
 
Radrook said:
The basic kinds are not thought to have numbered into millions of species.
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How convenient for you.

How many 'basic kinds' were there (or are there)? Care to enumerate them?

What is the relationship between 'basic kinds' and species?

Pick any three of these 'basic kinds' and list all of the species that correspond to each.

Answer if you can.

Utter idiocy.
 
Radrook said:
It's almost as if Radrook has been tied up with debugging his infernal computer for the last few days.
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I have a remote for his computer.

Push a button and his day is screwed.

Just got it. Great fun.

Every time he posts something stupid, push goes the button.
 
SOdhner said:
Dear Radrook,

Earlier in this conversation you suggested that post-flood there was some sort of super-accelerated evolution to allow animals to adapt to whatever environments they ended up in and stuff. You said this was intended as a scientific theory and was not supposing a miracle.

I asked why, if this was the case, we don't see evolution working that fast now. Rather than answer, you made an unrelated criticism of modern evolutionary theory.

I pointed out that the validity of that has no relation to the validity of YOUR theory and asked again. You replied with the same unrelated comments.

I asked a third time, and you just never answered.

At this point I'm not expecting you to answer this fairly simple question about why your proposed theory doesn't match observed reality but I just wanted to point out that you seem to be interested in dodging the question rather than either answering it or admitting that you are wrong.

Hugs and kisses,
SOdhner
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Sorry about my delay in responding but the computer was acting up and placing letters at random locations whenever I typed. If we are to take the flood account as historical fact and leave out the supernatural, then an apeal to speciation is the only recourse. As far as I can recall that's the explanation I offerred.

About the punctuated equilibrium comment, I don't recall having adopted that theory as an explanation for the aforementioned speciation.
 
Radrook said:
The geography you mention doesn't disprove the events in relation to Sodom and Gommorah. That's tantamount to saying that the Noacchian Flood could not have happened the way it is described because Noah lived near water.
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It's also like saying that mom and dad putting presents under the tree doesn't disprove the existence of Santa.

Two towns sitting on a fault line are destroyed. Ancient people who didn't know about such things as plate tectonics try to explain why god would destroy those towns. Well god must have been really, really mad at those people to do such a thing. But what could make god so mad? Those people must have been really evil. They must have been doing things that we didn't even know about. So years later when the story of Sodom and Gommorah is written down, they tell the story of how a bunch of evil people were wiped out by a vengeful god. A few thousand years later, people who do know about plate tectonics insist on taking the bible literally.

Steve S.
 
Radrook said:
The basic kinds are not thought to have numbered into millions of species.
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Perhaps, given a convenient enough definition of 'the basic kinds', 'thought', 'numbered', and some equally convenient bastardized account of the evolution of species.
 
Complexity said:
How convenient for you.

How many 'basic kinds' were there (or are there)? Care to enumerate them?

What is the relationship between 'basic kinds' and species?

Pick any three of these 'basic kinds' and list all of the species that correspond to each.

Answer if you can.

Utter idiocy.
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The best part of the "basic kinds" argument? The same morons who insist that "evolution has never been observed" and that it could never happen on its own will put for the "basic kinds" argument, which require evolution rates orders of magnitudes faster than anything evolution would suggest.

I have even heard flood people try to invoke Pangea as an explanation for how kangaroos got to Australia. Try to throw your head around those plate techtonics...
 
Robin said:
Thanks for the straightforward answers.
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So the next question is - do you think that they relate real events?

For example were the Sun, Moon and stars created after the vegetation?
 
Radrook said:
Sorry about my delay in responding but the computer was acting up and placing letters at random locations whenever I typed. If we are to take the flood account as historical fact and leave out the supernatural, then an apeal to speciation is the only recourse. As far as I can recall that's the explanation I offerred.

About the punctuated equilibrium comment, I don't recall having adopted that theory as an explanation for the aforementioned speciation.
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It's clearly a punishment from God!

:D
 
Radrook said:
My time is limited and going back to the same site unnecessarily is time-wasting. So hopefully your not attempting to frustrate.


Noah's Ark suggested ventlation problem solution:
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/ventilation/ventilation.htm
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When you look at large, modern day animal transport vessels, they have a similiar ventilation scheme, except there are dozens of huge , powerfull fans on both the intake and outake side. If the fans go out, the animals can be dead in a matter of hours, the heat and co2 builds up quickly in a large ship with a lot of animals. The proposed scheme wouldn't work, not with convection currents, and not with human powered fans.
 
Radrook said:
It's almost as if Radrook has been tied up with debugging his infernal computer for the last few days.
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You posted after I called you out and before I made the comment you were replying to above. So you were here, with a working computer. But, no matter. You're back now, so I'm sure you answered the question... right?

Radrook said:
If we are to take the flood account as historical fact and leave out the supernatural, then an apeal to speciation is the only recourse.
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... That doesn't answer the question at all. Blindly ruling out the best explanations and then saying the one remaining absurd explanation is clearly true because it's the only one left doesn't make sense at all. I'm not trying to be a jerk, so please explain it to me if I have misunderstood the above quote. In the meantime, you still have not answered my question:

If it worked as you are suggesting (with this incredibly rapid speciation/evolution), it would be plainly evident with everything all the time. That is clearly not the case - why?
 
Lets see, leave out the supernatural, hmmm
In the days predating the building of the great cities of Mesopotamia, a guy named Noe was old and wise and paid attention to the environment. This man noticed that the river was behaving the same way as it did when another flood came long ago. He built a kind of raft, loaded it with food and animals that he raised, got his wife and sons on board and survived a local flood.
There you go, that about it, can we put the idiotic bible story to bed please?
 
Radrook said:
The basic kinds are not thought to have numbered into millions of species.
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You keep using the passive voice like this: things are thought or are believed to be thus. Who thinks or believes these things (or, if you prefer, by whom are these things thought or believed)? Your use of the passive makes it sound as if there is some sort of consensus, but relieves you of the obligation of explaining who actually holds such beliefs. Such use of the passive is known (by me) as the "weaselly passive."
 
Radrook said:
Sorry about my delay in responding but the computer was acting up and placing letters at random locations whenever I typed. If we are to take the flood account as historical fact and leave out the supernatural, then an apeal to speciation is the only recourse. As far as I can recall that's the explanation I offerred.

About the punctuated equilibrium comment, I don't recall having adopted that theory as an explanation for the aforementioned speciation.
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Quit offering theories that aren't backed up by science. The fossil record doesn't show rapid developement. I try to be current on evolutionary theory from a laymans point of view and I've never heard a scientist say anything like this.

There are several reasons people have believed that there was once a world wide flood. Continental drift slowly pushes tectonic plates one on top of the other and over many centuries you have places above water that were under water and vice versa. People observing sea creature fossils on the top of high mountains is caused by this. There were a lot of floods at the end of the ice age. People have a tendency to make their homes near a large body of water including the oceans and of course rising sea levels drove them away. The ocean pouring through a portal in the Black sea is a good example. The once fresh water lake was turned into a salt water lake which rose and drove the people away from the area. They settled in different parts of the world and told a story which grew in the telling. Everything in this Noahs ark nonsense is scientifically explanable and the story never happened
 
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