Moderated Iron sun with Aether batteries...

[W.D.Clinger]

Here's the word straight from NASA. When they map the color values, the behavior of the pixels outside the limb is treated differently than the portion of the image over the disk. A gradient filter is applied to the image so the off-disk area will be enhanced to bring out details. That filter causes a discontinuity at the apparent limb because of a slight inequality of the radius of the filter and the solar image.

[qimg]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1843/sdoapodcolorcomp.jpg[/qimg]​

The green line is there because of the processing. In this image, which I sent along with my communication in order to get a definitive reply, you see arrow "A" pointing to the edge of the filter applied in the image processing software. The arrow "B" is pointing to what amounts to the actual limb of the Sun. The apparent roughness of that "B" edge is due to the emissions picked up by the three filters used to make the composite, all of which are coming from above the photosphere.

That should terminate this entire contretemps.

Thanks, GeeMack.

 

[Michael Mozina]

That should terminate this entire contretemps.

Thanks, GeeMack.

Oh no. I made a very specific "prediction" about that region in question as it relates to RD images. *IF* and only if you can falsify that prediction will that terminate anything. I never claimed one image was definitive, but I did tell you *EXACTLY* how to find the borders of the surface in Birkeland's solar model. If it doesn't show up in the RD images right along that same limb darkened region, then I'll switch positions. I'd sure like to hear some of you commit to switching positions if I am correct.

 

[Reality Check]

I have contacted the SDO science team at NASA and have received word back on the image that occupied pretty much all of Michael's attention for the past week. Since he first started crowing about his discovery, over a thousand posts have gone by. During that time Michael has been insulting, belligerent, ignorant of relevant questions, badgering, uncivil, and treated pretty much everyone in this discussion like crap.

Here's the word straight from NASA. When they map the color values, the behavior of the pixels outside the limb is treated differently than the portion of the image over the disk. A gradient filter is applied to the image so the off-disk area will be enhanced to bring out details. That filter causes a discontinuity at the apparent limb because of a slight inequality of the radius of the filter and the solar image.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1843/sdoapodcolorcomp.jpg​

The green line is there because of the processing. In this image, which I sent along with my communication in order to get a definitive reply, you see arrow "A" pointing to the edge of the filter applied in the image processing software. The arrow "B" is pointing to what amounts to the actual limb of the Sun. The apparent roughness of that "B" edge is due to the emissions picked up by the three filters used to make the composite, all of which are coming from above the photosphere.

A week of Michael's uncivil tantrums, bullying, whining, taunting, and complaining. Over a thousand posts exchanged. And the SDO science program at NASA says Michael is wrong.

Thanks GeeMack for resolving the issue.
I was wondering why that edge was so rough. I was thinking that it should be as smooth as the surface of the photosphere. I forgot that it was because the emissions were coming from above the photosphere.

 

[Nonpareil]

Oh no. I made a very specific "prediction" about that region in question as it relates to RD images. *IF* and only if you can falsify that prediction will that terminate anything. I never claimed one image was definitive, but I did tell you *EXACTLY* how to find the borders of the surface in Birkeland's solar model. If it doesn't show up in the RD images right along that same limb darkened region, then I'll switch positions. I'd sure like to hear some of you commit to switching positions if I am correct.

The reason you made the prediction has been shown to be bunk. Why are you still holding to it? The only justification you had for saying it is gone.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Great Job, GeeMack!
Isn't it amazing that anyone could think he could make new scientific discoveries by looking at pictures and not having any idea of the processing involved? When such "scientific discoveries" contradict mainstream science, it is even more astonishing that anyone would be so foolish!

Just remember who told you how to find the disk and where you would find it in the RD images. That limb darkened region is the surface, and that is why I've been harping on the RD images. In order to be absolutely certain, someone needs to run long cadence RD images to see if they align themselves with that limb darkened region. I don't have access to that kind of data (yet) but someone inside NASA and LMSAL must be able to do that. It can be anyone except GM.

 

[Hellbound]

I never claimed one image was definitive

*CHOKE*

Wh...what?

So those three or four pages of you claiming over and over that the standard solar model was done, on the ropes, finished, etc, etc, etc...all surrounded by an enormous amount of gloating, was someone else using your account?

I guess history is whatever you imagine it to be, huh?

 

[Reality Check]

... Birkeland's solar model.....

And the stupidity of defaming of Birkeland's good name continues !

Michael Mozina,
Birkeland was a more than competent scientist. He certainly knew about the laws of thermodynamics and would understand that a ~6000 K photosphere rules out an iron crust below the photosphere.

• Is your solid iron surface thermodynamically possible? First asked 8 July 2009. See this post for a fuller explanation of the thermodynamic problems with MM's iron surface.
• Why this iron crust is thermodynamically impossible
• Iron Sun Surface Thermodynamically Impossible IV

I suspect that he would be appalled at you attributing any part of your fantasy* to him. Especially since you cannot even read his book:

1. Where is the solar model that predicts the SDO images in Birkeland's book? (really a follow on to questions dating from July 2009)
2. Where is the the solar wind and the appropriate math in Birkeland's book?
3. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified fission as the "original current source"
4. Please cite where in his book Birkeland identified a discharge process between the Sun's surface and the heliosphere (about 10 billion kilometers from the Sun).
5. Is Saturn the Sun?

* Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked!
The fact that it fails many other observations (an iron crust at a temperature of > 9400 K ) and predicts absolutely nothing just makes it a joke. See the over 60 questions that Michael Mozina is incapable of answering.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

That should terminate this entire contretemps.

Thanks, GeeMack.

Oh no. I made a very specific "prediction" about that region in question as it relates to RD images. *IF* and only if you can falsify that prediction will that terminate anything. I never claimed one image was definitive, but I did tell you *EXACTLY* how to find the borders of the surface in Birkeland's solar model. If it doesn't show up in the RD images right along that same limb darkened region, then I'll switch positions. I'd sure like to hear some of you commit to switching positions if I am correct.

You should learn the difference between "should" and "will".

 

[Michael Mozina]

*CHOKE*

Wh...what?

So those three or four pages of you claiming over and over that the standard solar model was done, on the ropes, finished, etc, etc, etc...all surrounded by an enormous amount of gloating, was someone else using your account?

I guess history is whatever you imagine it to be, huh?

Have you ever sat down and counted all the images on my website? I haven't. I know it's more than one. I have heliosiesmology data galore. I have SERTS data, I have tons of other pieces of supporting data. The whole point of me predicting the outcome of the RD images is to remove all doubt about the nature of that limb. If it's the surface, the the edge of the RD disk will appear at that location. If it is not the surface, then edge of the RD disk will appear in the red. It's as simple as that.

 

[Nonpareil]

The reason you made the prediction has been shown to be bunk. Why are you still holding to it? The only justification you had for saying it is gone.

*cough*

 

[Michael Mozina]

You should learn the difference between "should" and "will".

Thank you for reminding me Mr. Spock.

 

[GeeMack]

Oh no. I made a very specific "prediction" about that region in question as it relates to RD images.

You made a "specific prediction" about that SDO image itself. You counted the pixels and stated unequivocally that the offset between the actual limb and the gradient filter somehow showed your fictional solid surface. Any argument you make to the contrary is a lie.

 

[Michael Mozina]

*cough*

If so, one long long cadence RD image at 171A aligned with the chromosphere should demonstrate that. If I'm right the edges of the RD image will align themselves with that limb darkened regions right under that glow in the dark photosphere.

 

[Michael Mozina]

What's that phrase? One test is worth a thousand expert opinions? That sounds about right to me.

 

[GeeMack]

Have you ever sat down and counted all the images on my website? I haven't. I know it's more than one. I have heliosiesmology data galore. I have SERTS data, I have tons of other pieces of supporting data. The whole point of me predicting the outcome of the RD images is to remove all doubt about the nature of that limb. If it's the surface, the the edge of the RD disk will appear at that location. If it is not the surface, then edge of the RD disk will appear in the red. It's as simple as that.

Your "specific prediction" was about that SDO image itself. You counted the pixels and stated unequivocally that the offset between the actual limb and the gradient filter somehow showed your fictional solid surface. Any argument you make to the contrary is a lie.

 

[Hellbound]

Have you ever sat down and counted all the images on my website? I haven't. I know it's more than one. I have heliosiesmology data galore. I have SERTS data, I have tons of other pieces of supporting data. The whole point of me predicting the outcome of the RD images is to remove all doubt about the nature of that limb. If it's the surface, the the edge of the RD disk will appear at that location. If it is not the surface, then edge of the RD disk will appear in the red. It's as simple as that.

Well, if all of them were as well analyzed as the SDO and RD images you've shown here, then we can safely discount them.

 

[GeeMack]

If so, one long long cadence RD image at 171A aligned with the chromosphere should demonstrate that. If I'm right the edges of the RD image will align themselves with that limb darkened regions right under that glow in the dark photosphere.

Your claim about the location of the photosphere has been shown to be wrong. Any argument you continue to make that contradicts that is a lie.

 

[dasmiller]

Oh, I already admit the one image is not definitive proof of either position at the moment. That was my whole point of predicting the outcome of the RD images at different iron ion wavelengths and predicting the color schemes, etc. We'll need more than one image to get a definitive answer. I just claimed Birkeland's solar model passed the first test and offered a 2nd more definitive test that might help us decide.

First, I asked if you would agree that the SDO image doesn't provide support for the 4800 km layer of transparent neon. I was looking for a 'yes' or 'no,' I explicitly didn't ask you whether it disproved your conjectures, so your entire response is, well, nonresponsive.

Second, for the "I already admit the one image is not definitive proof" - how do you reconcile that with:

"Lo and behold however the first light SDO images demonstrate that your opaque math bunny is dead . . . I *NAILED* that 4800 Km figure! Your theory *FAILED* it's first critical observational test, and the "impossible" showed up in living color that is directly related to the iron line color scheme. The SSM is dead. "

(from post 2631)

 

[Michael Mozina]

Well, if all of them were as well analyzed as the SDO and RD images you've shown here, then we can safely discount them.

Oh, you can discount them all you like but you can't change the outcome of that RD test I suggested. Time is on my side. The fact I see any light there at all was the key. If I was wrong, it would have been definite in that image. The horizon line would not be that smooth and consistent over the whole disk.

 

[Hellbound]

Oddly enough, this shows perfectly that one of my earlier posts i nthis thread was right on target.

MM did not do ANYTHING to verify his "findings" in the SDO image. NO effort was made to consider any alternative explanation, to rule out any experimental error..heck, he didn't even confirm the accuracy of the data he was using to prove his point.

The "science" MM does is like someone sitting in a windowless room. Every now and then a picture or a page of numbers is slipped under the door, at which point he considers it until he finds out how he can interpret it to fit his theory...regardless of the num ber of contortions and exceptions to the laws of physics that requires.

This is not science.