How powerful is human immune system?

[ShareCures]

Before anyone else puts their foot in their mouth let me put it this way.

I can put Dr. Dickweed MD head of Harvard Medical School on the spot in court or on Oprah and get Dr. Dickweed MD to admit the human immune system can indeed cure say so and so's friend with Lupus.

Lupus is said to be incurable through medicine and rightly so, but a doctor will not look anyone in the eye and say Lupus is completely incurable especial if Dr. Dickweed knows you are going to ask about the immune system being capable of curing Lupus.

 

[ShareCures]

There are no incurable diseases only incurable people brainwashed to think they are inferior to bacteria and cockroaches.

 

[Locknar]

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[Sledge]

Edited by Lisa Simpson: 

Edited.

Now here's a few questions you could answer that are relevant to the discussion:

1) How did you learn the secrets western medicine doesn't want us to know?

2) Why do you think that throwing abuse around is the best way to win people over?

3) Why haven't you proved your claim to cure baldness in three days?

 

[Nonpareil]

Skipped the last two pages or so of senseless bickering, apologies if the reply was in there. Anyway. I asked the following a few pages back, just after Share went to sleep, I think. Since he appears to have missed it, here it is again:

ShareCures, a few quick questions, if I may:

1. Do you accept the role of genetics in determining the properties of the human body?

2. Do you accept the possibility that genetic mutations in humans can be negative?

3. Do you accept that negative genetic mutations can affect the immune system?

4. If you answered "yes" to the above questions, what makes you think that a negative mutation cannot damage the immune system in such a way that it is incapable of defending the body, or so that it actively harms the body?

And one more:

5. Why is the diet important when taking the True Cures treatment plan?

 

[Tatyana]

Also, please clarify this for me as well.

Your medical training is in applied kinesiology, which is a type of chiropractic?

I know you are interested in the immune system.

Would you elucidate antigen presentation and antibody generation (affinity maturation) for me?

 

[paximperium]

I can put Dr. Dickweed MD head of Harvard Medical School on the spot in court or on Oprah and get Dr. Dickweed MD to admit the human immune system can indeed cure say so and so's friend with Lupus.

I don't believe you at all.
What you believe does not automatically equate with reality.

Lupus is said to be incurable through medicine and rightly so, but a doctor will not look anyone in the eye and say Lupus is completely incurable especial if Dr. Dickweed knows you are going to ask about the immune system being capable of curing Lupus.

SLE is as incurable as any autoimmune disease which means they presentation is variable and control of the disease is variable. Your claim is irrelevant. The evidence proves you not only wrong but laughably so.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I have a question, too. Why do people keep ranting about the evils of the greedy "drug companies" when alternative practicioners charge just as much, if not more, for their services and remedies? If memory serves, alternative medicine as an industry racks up a whooping 40 billion dollars a year in the US alone.

It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Oh, and I found this cute:

I'm not hear to learn from you. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression.

I'm a show me kind of guy.

 

[Robo Sapien]

Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but the diet part should be obvious.

By going carbless for two weeks (which is the precise duration of Atkins Phase 1 of "induction"), the subject induces ketosis, which makes them feel like absolute hell and clouds their judgement. Then, by reintroducing carbs, they suddenly feel wonderful and falsely give him credit for their "cure."

I've seen the effects of this first-hand, I once had a very fat roommate who went on atkins and stayed in induction for just over 3 weeks, by the end of which he looked ready to throw himself in front of a bus. When he finally broke down and ate some cake, within hours he was damn near jumping for joy and saying he'd never felt better in his entire life. He surely felt better by comparison to the agony of ketosis, but later on his perspective became clearer once he normalized again.

 

[Steven Howard]

I can put Dr. Dickweed MD head of Harvard Medical School on the spot in court or on Oprah and get Dr. Dickweed MD to admit the human immune system can indeed cure say so and so's friend with Lupus.

Your information would seem to be incorrect or outdated. The current dean of Harvard Medical School is named Jeffrey S. Flier. I don't find any record of anyone named Dickweed ever serving in an administrative role at Harvard.

 

[Tatyana]

Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but the diet part should be obvious.

By going carbless for two weeks (which is the precise duration of Atkins Phase 1 of "induction"), the subject induces ketosis, which makes them feel like absolute hell and clouds their judgement. Then, by reintroducing carbs, they suddenly feel wonderful and falsely give him credit for their "cure."

I've seen the effects of this first-hand, I once had a very fat roommate who went on atkins and stayed in induction for just over 3 weeks, by the end of which he looked ready to throw himself in front of a bus. When he finally broke down and ate some cake, within hours he was damn near jumping for joy and saying he'd never felt better in his entire life. He surely felt better by comparison to the agony of ketosis, but later on his perspective became clearer once he normalized again.

If you do low carb for longer than two weeks, typically most people will adjust to it and start to feel fairly good.

The problem with prolonged low carb (< 60 g/carbs/day) or ketosis (<20 g/carbs/day) is that it will suppress thyroid function, slowing the metabolism.

However, low carb dieting is totally hell the first time you do it.

From personal experience, it does get easier when you go through a carb depletion more than once.

 

[fls]

Before anyone else puts their foot in their mouth let me put it this way.

I can put Dr. Dickweed MD head of Harvard Medical School on the spot in court or on Oprah and get Dr. Dickweed MD to admit the human immune system can indeed cure say so and so's friend with Lupus.

You don't need to put Dr. Dickweed on the spot. Just ask me to testify in this thread as to what medicine says. I'm a physician, as is Paximperium.

You would have to be more specific about what you are asking, though. Lupus is what we call an autoimmune disease, which essentially means that the immune system attacks some parts of the body in a variable and erratic way. Sometimes it stops doing so on its own, although usually this only happens if the initial attack was fairly limited. Otherwise it waxes and wanes, sometimes becoming severe and deadly.

I agree that if you could get the immune system to behave itself, you could cure lupus (and that is the focus of medical treatments for lupus). But the way the immune system functions doesn't allow for this.

Linda

 

[Dancing David]

Bravo, this is getting closer to a "medical" fact but you have no way of proving it. I'm not saying insulin isn't produced in the pancreas, I'm just saying you and I have to take it on 100% faith that it is and as such it might not actually be a fact.

It can be demostrated rathere asily, why do you say that it hasn't?

I know you are getting the point. All the idiots here who believe the human body has no immune response against diseases believe that way because they have been brainwashed to believe they are as useless as tits on a boar hog when it comes to healing and immunity.

That is a bold statement, I do believe in my immune system and that of others. So you use a wide brush, do you not?

 

[Robo Sapien]

If you do low carb for longer than two weeks, typically most people will adjust to it and start to feel fairly good.

The problem with prolonged low carb (< 60 g/carbs/day) or ketosis (<20 g/carbs/day) is that it will suppress thyroid function, slowing the metabolism.

However, low carb dieting is totally hell the first time you do it.

From personal experience, it does get easier when you go through a carb depletion more than once.

Ah, thanks for the info. But could the experience be a bit different for a fit person like you than for a 350 lbs man? The tipping point of two weeks, I suspect, is the reason Atkins altered his protocol to restrict induction to exactly that amount of time, and certainly plays a role in Mr. Flowers' reason for using that same timing.

 

[ShareCures]

Also, please clarify this for me as well.

Your medical training is in applied kinesiology, which is a type of chiropractic?

I know you are interested in the immune system.

Would you elucidate antigen presentation and antibody generation (affinity maturation) for me?

Who says AK is medicine and who says it is a type of chiropractic.

 

[ShareCures]

You don't need to put Dr. Dickweed on the spot. Just ask me to testify in this thread as to what medicine says. I'm a physician, as is Paximperium.

You would have to be more specific about what you are asking, though. Lupus is what we call an autoimmune disease, which essentially means that the immune system attacks some parts of the body in a variable and erratic way. Sometimes it stops doing so on its own, although usually this only happens if the initial attack was fairly limited. Otherwise it waxes and wanes, sometimes becoming severe and deadly.

I agree that if you could get the immune system to behave itself, you could cure lupus (and that is the focus of medical treatments for lupus). But the way the immune system functions doesn't allow for this.

Linda

If you say the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable through medicine you are not a doctor. No doctor will completely disregard the human immune defense. So far there are only three people here who do believe in the human immunity and I doubt you are one of them.

 

[ShareCures]

It can be demostrated rathere asily, why do you say that it hasn't?

That is a bold statement, I do believe in my immune system and that of others. So you use a wide brush, do you not?

You might be the one of the three who do believe in the immune system. The fact that you were offend by the wide brush stroke suggest you don't believe it can cure diseases your doctor says can't be cured so the brush stroke is accurate.

You can't prove the pancreas produces insulin and more than I can. You take in on faith.

 

[ShareCures]

Ah, thanks for the info. But could the experience be a bit different for a fit person like you than for a 350 lbs man? The tipping point of two weeks, I suspect, is the reason Atkins altered his protocol to restrict induction to exactly that amount of time, and certainly plays a role in Mr. Flowers' reason for using that same timing.

You have no idea what you are talking about. No sugar no carbs is a no sugar no carb diet. If you have to give that diet a name fine but you have no idea why the diet is required if you did you would be curing diseases too.

Truth leads to cures. You get one truth you pursue it in search of other truths and VERY soon and VERY sure the cure will be revealed.

Not one of you is looking for the truth or even interested in the truth and as such you are "incurable".

 

[ShareCures]

When I asked the question about what happens when you put a mixture or water and flour on the window seal it was to tell you why the diet is crucial. You see, you people have read through most of my articles and claims looking for ways to attack me without looking for the truth otherwise you would already know why the diet is critical.

In thirty minutes of setting flour and water on a window seal you will have enough yeast to bake a loaf of bread.

Sugar and carbs feed fungus and fungus is deadly and it will reproduce faster than the human immune system can kill if being fed. Therefore a person must stop feeding the fungus so it cannot reproduce faster than the body can kill it for the body to be able to eliminate it and cure the disease caused by the fungus OR correct the autoimmune that fails because of fungus.

I know that was complicated so let me phrase it like this. Carbs and sugar feed fungus and fungus tax the immune system to the limit or death.

 

[ShareCures]

Skipped the last two pages or so of senseless bickering, apologies if the reply was in there. Anyway. I asked the following a few pages back, just after Share went to sleep, I think. Since he appears to have missed it, here it is again:



And one more:

5. Why is the diet important when taking the True Cures treatment plan?

You are saturated by fungus. With the exception of jock itch atheletes foot and yeast infection medicine ignores fungus almost completely. They will talk a little about nail fungus and dandruff but they ignore most system deadly fungus which is fed by carbs and sugars. For you correct and completely restore your autoimmune you can cure all your autoimmune conditions you must cut off carbs and sugars for a few weeks so your body can get the upper hand.

For the record diet does NOT eliminate FUNGUS it only helps control it. True Cures must be used if you want a cure so you can return to a normal diet. The CureZone is full of people who have avoided carbs and sugars for years trying to cure fungus, it only helps with control.

The diet has nothing to do with any of the silly theories posted by others here.

One thing you must keep in mind, True Cures is cures. The information I share leads to cures while the information others share here lead to diseases.