How powerful is human immune system?

[Sun Countess]

Actually he did address it ... and he realized you really didn't want to know the answer to your question, which he explains in detail:

I stand corrected. I guess I'm just programmed to not read all caps or obnoxious font colors so I missed it.

I guess he doesn't want to answer my question then, because he has no idea how his system works. I just can't figure out if he's deluded or a scam artist (maybe a bit of both).

Just another high school drop-out with anger issues, a receding hairline, and a ginormous ego. Maybe he should call the Maury show.

 

[Robo Sapien]

10 bucks says face-to-face I could provoke him into taking a swing at me in less than a minute. He's that easy.

 

[Tatyana]

Anyone want to give me an example of a medical fact that can't be disputed?

Elevated levels of troponin T = myocardial infarction.

The higher the levels of troponin T, the more damage to the heart.

Elevated levels of beta-hcg = pregnancy.

Shall I go on?

I could do this all day.

 

[Trent Wray]

Trent, I don't approve of the manner in which you have been speaking to me lately, so.. BY THE AUTHORITY OF RED CAPITAL LETTERS, I COMMAND THAT WHENEVER YOU ADDRESS ME THE FIRST AND LAST WORDS OUT OF YOUR STUPID HOLE WILL BE SIR. YOU GOT THAT, COCKROACH?!

I am not a cockroach. I am a diabetic cow.

I stand corrected. I guess I'm just programmed to not read all caps or obnoxious font colors so I missed it.

I guess he doesn't want to answer my question then, because he has no idea how his system works. I just can't figure out if he's deluded or a scam artist (maybe a bit of both).

Just another high school drop-out with anger issues, a receding hairline, and a ginormous ego. Maybe he should call the Maury show.

I just want to know if he prefers Cocoa Puffs or Fruity Pebbles.

But something is telling me he might be a Nut 'N Honey man ...

 

[Tatyana]

Sharecures, define what you mean by the immune system.

I find your use of the term 'autoimmune disease' rather odd.

People do die as they have a phenomenal immune response.

I can name at least three situations in which this can happen, one is not disease related at all.

Can you?

 

[Trent Wray]

He might actually be considering some kind of global domination:

True Cures is about to be a household name and disease will be a thing of the past.

For those who do not oppose cures it is time we start looking into ways of controlling the population. Forget about Health Care reform and start focusing on limiting the size of families. The world is about to change and no one will need health insurance. If we do not control the population we will be healthy but the quality of life will still go down hill because children will not be dying from disease and neither will adults.

 

[Tatyana]

Anyone want to give me an example of a medical fact that can't be disputed?

An X-ray of a fractured pelvis.

 

[AdinDraco]

I've already told you how your poll is fundamently flawed and doesn't give you the information about us that you think you have. Also, many of us are lurkers who browse for the educational and entertainment value...silence from us/them doesn't indicate agreement with you - writing a post saying that we agree with you is agreeing with you.

Now show some intellectual honesty and reply to one of the numerous challenges with logic/reason/evidence and not a childish tantrum full of name-calling, ad-hominems and strawmen.

 

[Tatyana]

You mean he isnt a troll?

H O L Y C R A P

I was once told by a guy on USENET that I could cure my crohn's disease by learning to breathe correctly The world is full of crazies. Some of them own computers. Just slowly back away and try not to make eye contact.

Another possible autoimmune disorder, thought to be a mismatch of the cross-reaction of the immune system with gut bacteria and the micro-villi of the gut.

What is the cure for this then?

Sorry to hear about your Crohn's, it is quite nasty.

 

[fls]

I WILL ASK AGAIN, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MEDICAL FACT THAT CAN STAND UP IN A COURT OF LAW?

Insulin is produced in the pancreas.

Linda

 

[devnull]

Another possible autoimmune disorder, thought to be a mismatch of the cross-reaction of the immune system with gut bacteria and the micro-villi of the gut.

What is the cure for this then?

Sorry to hear about your Crohn's, it is quite nasty.

No cure as yet, altho you can get quite handy results from immunomodulators.

Some recent research is investigating the idea that crohn's is caused by an *underactive* immune system, basically they thing the sustained immune response might be caused by normal gut flora penetrating the intestine (possibly through some sort of trauma coupled with genetic predisposition) and the immune system lacks the punch to get rid of it. Possible interesting times coming up.

Then again, I should forget all this "medicine" nonsense and learn how to breathe properly, and get nutbags to show me how to talk to my immune system, or something.

 

[Dancing David]

You didn't have a question, you had an argument and you believe the autoimmune is a killer.

You are as dumb as door stop. You believe there is no cure and I can prove there is a cure. What answer could I possible give a door stop that would seem reasonable? LOL YOU JUST TOLD US THE AUTOIMMUNE IS THE KILLER!

IS ANYONE SUSPICIOUS OF THAT? DO ALL OF YOU BELIEVE THE AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM TURNS ON YOU AND KILLS YOU? I WANT SOME ANSWERS. I WANT 10 PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO WHETHER THEY BELIEVE THEIR AUTOIMMUNE CAN TURN ON THEM AND KILL THEM. THEN I WILL CONSIDER GIVING YOU MY OPINION SO YOU CAN COMPARE IT WITH THE OPINION OF MEDICINE WHO SAYS THE AUTOIMMUNE KILLS PEOPLE!

Now I am going to go outside and play for a few hours why you dinks chew on that.

Please let there be someone in this group who questions Tatyana's nonsense about the AUTOIMMUNE TURNING ON PEOPLE.

I have a feeling that if I mehtion my acquaintance with lupus, and a friend with one that attacks his kidneys, you will respond.

Lupus kills slowly, but it kills.
My friend will have dialysis someday.

 

[Steve001]

I think it will work out. You believe you use 100% of your brain, can you qualify that? Are you disease free? Or do you not believe the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable by "western" medicine?

If a person believes the body does not have the ability to cure incurable diseases it would suggest they do not use 100% of their brain.

So you are stating the 90% of the brain not used is just pudding ?

There's no belief it is a fact that 100% of the brain performs functions.

 

[Zep]

I wonder if anyone has noticed if Flowers is operating nothing more than a good old pyramid scheme. What with him quoting himself here so often and trying to get a rise out of everyone...all he is doing is promoting his worthless money-making scheme.

And please don't try to insult us by trying to convince us it is not a pyramid scheme.


Also, everyone, welcome to my world! This is exactly what it is like trying to "discuss" stuff with many homeopaths. It's all a lot of angry and righteous shouting...until people realise it's all just a grubby little money-spinner really.

 

[Robo Sapien]

I wonder if anyone has noticed if Flowers is operating nothing more than a good old pyramid scheme. What with him quoting himself here so often and trying to get a rise out of everyone...all he is doing is promoting his worthless money-making scheme.

And please don't try to insult us by trying to convince us it is not a pyramid scheme.


Also, everyone, welcome to my world! This is exactly what it is like trying to "discuss" stuff with many homeopaths. It's all a lot of angry and righteous shouting...until people realise it's all just a grubby little money-spinner really.

Aye, he's already been called out on the pyramid scheme, and other things. If you can stand the foul language, check out the article I wrote on my blog about him, I tried to break it down as best I could.

 

[Hellbound]

You know this is getting tiring.

But I thought I'd like to point out one fact.

The MOST successful species of organism on the planet Earth. By any measure you care to use, they come out on top: available habitats colonized, biomass, number of species, genetic diversity, length of existence, survivability, pretty much any reasonable measure of success, you get the same answer.

What is this amazing, super-succesful organism?

BACTERIA.

So we're inferior to bacteria.

We fail

ETA: To be fair, they did have like a billion year head start on us.

 

[TraneWreck]

LOL Medicine uses medicine to fight medicine in a malpractice claim. LOL Medicine has no concern for facts. They don't have to, all you expect from them is a drug to make you feel better. OK, maybe that is a fact, some drugs make some people feel better. I'll give you that one.

Then you shouldn't have brought up courts. Courts 100% and unquestioningly accept the conclusions of doctors and medical researchers. Everything taught in normal medical schools is admissible in court.

In fact, you wouldn't be able to testify as an expert in most cases without an MD. Literally ALL of "Western Medicine" has been accepted in courts of law.

You lose again. Tragically. If you treat your patients with the same success rate that you have in these disputes, you might as well just shoot them in the head when they walk through the door and save them some time.

 

[TraneWreck]

10 bucks says face-to-face I could provoke him into taking a swing at me in less than a minute. He's that easy.

You might just want to let him hit you, he has a magical touch.

One right cross to the chin you'd lose 10lbs, look 10 years younger, and your penis would grow.

He's that good.

 

[ShareCures]

ShareCures, you ignored my questions a couple of pages back, basically: How does the presence of recently-ingested carbohydrates interfere with your True Cures? Do you have a theory on the mechanism by which the carbohydrates interfere with the cure? Do they (carbs and sugars) interfere with the person's immune system or with your ability to communicate the cure to the receiver?

p.s. My fun medical fact for the day: Human eggs are produced in a female's ovaries. Will you dispute that one?

What is your interest in relation to carbs and sugars and True Cures?

As for your fun fact, though it is a fact it is a matter of opinion that it is medical.

Look there are some actual medical facts, but so far you are all missing them.

Right off you all assumed I was practicing medicine without a license and some of you have contacted me to taunt me for doing so some of you have gone around the internet making rude comments saying so. When in reality it is just a fact that human eggs are produced in a female the same as chicken eggs fry in bacon grease.

I haven't read through all the post before responding to you but it looks like my point has been made. Most of what you people think are medical facts are not. If say diseases are genetic and that is a fact I will say it is not a fact and it cannot be proven. I will say diseases are THOUGHT to be genetic because of the way they tend to show up in one generation to the next.

Some of you may believe diseases are genetic and that is fine, that does not make it fact.

As for carbs and sugars in relation to True Cures, I know what you are doing and I will answer you in a way that will prevent you from going all MEDICAL on me and wasting my time with your medical opinions.

What happens when you mix a little water and flour and set it on an open window seal? Answer this and I will proceed to answer your question if you do not figure out the answer on your own because of the question or because the answer is plastered all over the internet.

 

[ShareCures]

10 bucks says face-to-face I could provoke him into taking a swing at me in less than a minute. He's that easy.

Robo you give yourself way to much credit. I have been handling idiots like all of you brainwashed to believe you are inferior to a cockroach for 15 years.

Why would I swing at you. I've got real work to do. True Cures is the only legal cure known to Americans and as such the FDA can't touch clients love me and the word is getting out. Your rants are impotent. I addressed your comment on YouTube and I did leave it but come up with some fact on your next comment or leave it be. You got your cronies here who are completely against cures being made public but you will not force your unsubstantiated attacks and lazy opinions on people who did not ask for it.