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Independence School

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Generally, I don’t rant about my job. I love my job. I get to deal with every type of person, all sorts of books old and new, and I never end a day without having learned something new. It’s great!

However, occasionally something happens that is so infuriating, so upsetting, that it just needs a rant. And this week one of those somethings happened.

Baltimore, like most other cities, has some charter schools. Some of them are quite good, and I’m impressed when the classes come to visit. Some of them, not so good. The Baltimore Independence School is horrendous. At least, from what I have seen.

Here is a snippet of their philosophy statement:
We are in the business of de-schooling children and reintroducing them to their environment. The program directly confronts the present beliefs about schooling. We do not rely on a prescribed curriculum.* Neither do we rely on a hierarchy of supervision, nor on a strict code of discipline.

This school first came to my attention in the fall, when during the school day, I noticed a group of school age children wandering about the building. I asked one of our security officers if we were having a school visit. I’m usually notified about them, and give tours and presentations. We have a strict truancy policy, so if they were not with a school, it needed to be looked at. He said the class was here with a teacher from Independence School. I saw no teacher with them, which puzzled me.

The weeks went by, and I continued to find the kids all over the place. No teacher. I found the kids necking in the stacks, which isn’t so terrible, unless the attentions are unwanted, or the act escalates into lewd behavior. The library really should not be a place to get STDs or pregnant. I found them sprawled on the floor, dancing in the halls, playing ball. None of these are really library activities. I spoke to my supervisor who said she was aware of the situation and there was nothing we could do.

I asked the kids what they were supposed to be working on, and they said they had no assignments. I doubted their word until I looked at the Web site. Finally, one day, I asked where the teacher was. I had never seen the guy. “He’s downstairs drinking coffee,” one of the kids volunteered. I got someone else to watch the desk, and went marching down to the coffee shop. There were a number of people having their coffee. I asked if anyone was a teacher with a class, and a man who was absorbed in a book and drinking a latte, looked up. “What are they doing now?” he wanted to know. “They are unsupervised, that’s what they are doing. You need to be with them.” He rolled his eyes and got up. He came to my department, rounded up the kids, and I didn’t see them again that day.

Last week, our Young Adult specialist emailed me and asked if I was willing to lead a tour from that school. I was delighted to hear that they were actually doing something constructive, and agreed. Yesterday they came. With the latte drinking teacher. He announced that they are doing assignments about love in Shakespeare.

I led the 9 kids (7 girls 2 boys) up to the Shakespeare section to introduce them to the plays, audio, and books we have there. A minute or so into my talk, one young man piped up. “Can I ask a question? Why is it called ‘Shakespeare?’ Why isn’t it just called ‘poetry?’ Nonplussed for a second, I said, “Well, you know, because a man named Shakespeare wrote the plays and the poems, right?” The kids looked at each other in surprise. They had no idea Shakespeare was the name of a man and they were full of questions.

“Where does he live?”

“He doesn’t live anywhere now, he’s been dead for 500 years.” (Pause while they absorb the shock) “I’ve been to his house, though, and I’ve visited his garden and where he’s buried.”

“For real?”

It took a few minutes for me to convince them that I was not just kidding. In the meantime, Mr. Latte is at the back of the group, looking bored.

There were two kids, one girl and one boy, who were actually really interested in what I was saying. When I mentioned that my favorite Shakespeare play is The Tempest, Nayesha, the girl, insisted on getting a copy of it to read. The boy didn’t really show any interest right then, but after the class left, he snuck back. He didn’t want to lose face by looking like he actually had a little intellectual curiosity. I gave both of these kids my card and told them to call me and I would give them personal tours.

On his way out, Mr. Latte mentioned to me that he had been a Comparative Literature major. I guess that makes him just too good to actually impart any of his knowledge to these kids.

I’m betting their parents are actually pleased they are in this school and are under the impression that they are being educated.

I cannot call the superintendent of the school system because I would be speaking as a member of my organization. I talked to my supervisor, my sister, and various other people, and they all agree, I’d be slitting my own throat by doing so. I am not in the greatest position right now, and I guess there is such a thing as self-preservation.

I can only hope that Nayesha and the young man actually will contact me and that perhaps I can help them learn a little something. The fact that they now know that Shakespeare was a man who lived 500 years ago and whose words still live today is a start.
 
I am so sorry!

If it helps, I throw in facts about all sorts of stuff whatever I am teaching, but then I like for my students to, like, know stuff and like that. On the bright side we know that terminal orifice is no teacher.

You know, this sounds a lot like somebody misinterpreted Summerhill. It was like this, but not exactly. http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/

Armed with useful knowledge, you might be able to make a tactical assault. Or cut him off at the knees (my preference).
 
Just read the link. Anyone who sends their children to that school would know that they are not sending their children to an ordinary school.

Even if you could do anything, I doubt if you would make much difference.
 
Just read the link. Anyone who sends their children to that school would know that they are not sending their children to an ordinary school.

Even if you could do anything, I doubt if you would make much difference.

Yes, they know they are not sending their child to an ordinary school. They think they are sending their child to a better school. It is sanctioned by the city. The Web site has lovely gobbledy gook that makes it sounds like they are working to make their child smarter in some way. They have a child who probably did not do well in "ordinary" schools, so this must be better!

It's a scam and they are falling for it. Their children will suffer for it. It sounds to me like you are blaming the victim.
 
Sounds like more piffle from public school haters. While it is possible to run good schools outside of the public school model, it is challenging and requires far more attentive and inventive teachers that Senor Latte. Charter schools are no better (and may be worse) than traditional public schools. They're just ways for politicians to say, "Look at me! I care about the kids! Actaully, no I don't, I just want to throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks and make it look like I'm lowering budgets. I really have no clue about education, I just like to play 'make the teacher look bad'." The only schools that show significant advantages over public schools are parochial schools but their sample size may be too small to be generalizable.

Good on you for showing them something and demanding that the teacher be accountable. Imagine if they actually learn something or decide to put on a Shakespeare play. You might get in trouble for encouraging them to be more "school-like."
 
Yes, they know they are not sending their child to an ordinary school. They think they are sending their child to a better school. It is sanctioned by the city. The Web site has lovely gobbledy gook that makes it sounds like they are working to make their child smarter in some way. They have a child who probably did not do well in "ordinary" schools, so this must be better!

It's a scam and they are falling for it. Their children will suffer for it. It sounds to me like you are blaming the victim.

There is nothing in the website to say that it is better than a conventional school. Different yes.

Are the students and parents victims? Yes, three times so. First by there own stupidity. Secondly by the school. Third by the system that allows such a school to exist.

I am not trying to blame anyone. Just pointing out how I see it. Summary - you are on a cause that if you want to win expect a huge fight.
 
There is nothing in the website to say that it is better than a conventional school. Different yes.

Are the students and parents victims? Yes, three times so. First by there own stupidity. Secondly by the school. Third by the system that allows such a school to exist.

I am not trying to blame anyone. Just pointing out how I see it. Summary - you are on a cause that if you want to win expect a huge fight.

And society too is a victim. At some point these kids will be sent out to work . . . and vote. :(

OTW: :bigclap
 
Thank you Gord_in_Toronto. Yes you are right society is a victim too. These students are part of society.

Being a parent is a very difficult job to do well. Most are given no or very little education in the subject. How many parents look at what their children are learning in school? If they did would they know if this was the right level? If parents did that and knew how to assess these answers then this thread would not exist. The parents would vote with their feet.
 
Wow wow wow!

Mr. Latte's bio on the site says he doesn't even have his graduate degree yet. In Maryland don't certified teachers need to have graduate degrees?
 
I think they have a certain amount of time to get their masters. And I'm not sure it's followed up. I think there's a feeling that anyone willing to teach in Baltimore City shouldn't be hassled over the details.

I'm not looking for a fight with the school board over this. I'd lose big time. I'm looking for indignation.
 
Wow, and I thought Norwegian pubic schools were too lax. Look at that site, the design itself, and the fact that it looks very inactive (I especially liked that the "Free Speech" window had "no articles to display":D)... wow.
 
I can only hope that Nayesha and the young man actually will contact me and that perhaps I can help them learn a little something. The fact that they now know that Shakespeare was a man who lived 500 years ago and whose words still live today is a start.

And if that is all you achieved today, then it has been a mighty fine day.

You have taught them that words live. No matter how old. When we read them, they come alive for us. We may not like them, we may not appreciate them. But they are always there when we want them
 
Holy crap! I couldn't stop reading. Something's not ringing true.

Either they're a special ed school trying to sell themselves off as a bouquet of peonies or like a number of my friends around the world, they found a little bureaucratic loophole and have been able to milk the system to create their little Taos on the Chesepeake.

I'm thinking it's more of the former but that they've identified themselves a little budgetary niche and must have some sort of admissions control or they'd be swamped with applications. What troubled teenager in Baltimore is NOT GOING TO WANT to attend what amounts to a Scout Jamboree? They seem to have some sort of strange idea about revolving free-form credits that actually makes no sense to me, whatsoever. Frankly, it sounds like they just put together a whole bunch of hippie b.s. and polished it up and submitted it to the school board on a Powerpoint. There's no there, there!

For the record - I'm a backer of alternate schooling. My daughter went to a hands-on small junior high in New York, and it was great for her and for most of the other students. But if they had a website, I know they'd have had stats on how the kids were prepped for the Stuyvesant/Bronx Science/Brooklyn Tech entrance exams, as they had this in their promotional material back in the day. I notice that Independence School makes no mention of statewide exams, rankings, SATs or PSATs, or the traditional list of where their successful graduates have gone onto ("looking for work", "hanging out", or "doing fifteen to life at Ossining" might not sound so good). It stinks of.... well, "scam" is too strong a word, but I agree that they're scamming themselves.

I mean,.... look at the website. In all those "professionals" on staff and artistic minded students they can't find anyone to update the thing. The calendar is EMPTY, for crissake. Frankly, I think they're all like Mr. Latte - they've found their place at the public trough, and they're going to feed until they're sated or until the trough is empty.

Just look at that horrible website!

I mean,.... it mentions somewhere that they have 145 to 150 students. Spread over four years of high school? That's 37 to a grade. What a luxury. It's like a city school run by Laura Ingalls standards.

I mean,.... Look at the number of staff, particularly the advisors and special ed and counciling. It's not a scam. Counting all the support sstaff this school must have a 1:10 ratio of staff to students. The only way you get that in a public school system is if it's a "special ed" school of some sorts that they don't want to call by name.

I mean,.... Read the part on how they get credits! Is there anything more obviously Pass/Fail than that?

I mean,.... Where's the info on how they're preparing these kids to take the SATs? That's the thing foremost in any high schooler's parents' mind. To downplay it is one thing. To completely ignore it is quite another. What do these kids do when they finish Indepence School? Go work at KFC?


Uggh! I could go on and on. (Oh, wait.... I actually did go on and on.)
 
I mean,.... Where's the info on how they're preparing these kids to take the SATs? That's the thing foremost in any high schooler's parents' mind. To downplay it is one thing. To completely ignore it is quite another. What do these kids do when they finish Indepence School? Go work at KFC?

Downtown Baltimore? Finishing school is already an achievement. Finishing school and getting a job (at KFC or otherwise) is probably an unrealistic dream.
 

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