Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Making fun of names isn't a petty personal attack? That was your serious critique of Kermit's letter?

I know a guy named Kermit at work. He's older than the Muppets. So's his old man (he's a Jr.) How rare is rare?

I have a cousin with the middle name "Kermit", a nephew with the given name "Tycho", and another relative with three middle names, one of which is "Shine".

Don't ask me! Names are names.
 
I don't think they did. I think the judgement was in line with the sentence handed down to RG.

However, I believe the emotional appeal you've mentioned was a prelude to explaining why the sentences won't be reduced on appeal for RS and AK. Remember, there is a lot more to this than just feeding data into a computer. The judges are weighing the levels of responsibility and the levels of remorse demonstrated by the accused. This part goes beyond the actual nuts and bolts of the evidence and on to much less objective judgement.

We still have the appeals to follow, of course, and even the motivations report to read. But doesn't it make sense for the judges (and the prosecutors) to appear to take all the emotional factors into account in the first sentencing? RG got his reduction only for taking the fast-track. RS and AK shouldn't get a similar reduction because everything has already been taken into account and they've been shown as much mercy as the court possibly can without their co-operation in any way, shape or form.

Stilicho, I understand what you are saying. At the same time there are people who believe Amanda had to be the one to cover the body because only a woman would do it. Even Barbie Nadeau says this in her book. Also there is the issue of whether covering the body shows "remorse" (hint: it doesn't) So from standpoint of a self-described skeptic, I want to hear someone actually substantiate it since it has been repeated 3 times by Mignini, Barbie Nadeau, and the judges.

Edit: Apologies to Nadeau. She only hints at this. I will find the passage.
 
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Stilicho, I understand what you are saying. At the same time there are people who believe Amanda had to be the one to cover the body because only a woman would do it. Even Barbie Nadeau says this in her book. Also there is the issue of whether covering the body shows "remorse" (hint: it doesn't) So from standpoint of a self-described skeptic, I want to hear someone actually substantiate it since it has been repeated 3 times by Mignini, Barbie Nadeau, and the judges.

Edit: Apologies to Nadeau. She only hints at this. I will find the passage.
Good day HumanityBlues,
Maybe Guede's guilty conscience made him cover Miss Kercher, after he assaulted her.
It must have been a disgusting scene...
RWVBWL
 
Good day HumanityBlues,
Maybe Guede's guilty conscience made him cover Miss Kercher, after he assaulted her.
It must have been a disgusting scene...
RWVBWL

The guilty often have a guilty conscience, but that is not the same as remorse. It's called regret and shame, and there is a difference. I've seen no evidence to show that Guede showed any remorse. If Amanda and Raffaele are innocent, then he is showing even less remorse in his stories pointing to them. If Amanda and Raffaele are guilty as well as Guede, I still see no evidence of remorse at all. Remorse means you are sorry. There is none of that here.

P.S. I told my friends about your stool sample experiment. We all had a very good laugh. I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but it was a tear jerker. Good day to you too!
 
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IF Raff and Amanda knew the police coming, why stand outside with a mop? They were concerned about the break in. Why was the mop in Amanda,s hand? Surely she knew they would be going back into the cottage with the police? Or was it to show the police that the burgler had missed this very valuable item? The time line of the calls has been gone over so many times.. if you need it, someone here will furnish you with the links.

Capealadin, I will give you $100 if you can legitimately document that Amanda had a mop in her hand when the postal police arrived.

The postal police testified in their depositions that when they arrived, Amanda and Raffaele were SITTING CALMLY in the garden.

As for your questions about how Raffaele knew nothing was missing from Filomena's room, I don't know what his exact words were but I presume he was speculating. He and Amanda had looked in Filomena's room and noticed it had been rifled but that her computer was still there. The computer, of course, being the most valuable item that would be noticed by a computer scientist.
 
The guilty often have a guilty conscience, but that is not the same as remorse. It's called regret and shame, and there is a difference. I've seen no evidence to show that Guede showed any remorse. If Amanda and Raffaele are innocent, then he is showing even less remorse in his stories pointing to them. If Amanda and Raffaele are guilty as well as Guede, I still see no evidence of remorse at all. Remorse means you are sorry. There is none of that here.

P.S. I told my friends about your stool sample experient. We all had a very good laugh. I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but it was a tear jerker. Good day to you too!
Hi again HumanityBlues,
Always good to have a laugh! Actually, over the last few months, I did indeed time it a few times while doing my own un-scientific tests. I also broke a window in an old frame with a buddy to see how the glass would fall, after he thought that the photo I showed him of the broken window had been broken from the inside. That changed his mind quickly.
RWVBWL
 
Capealadin, I will give you $100 if you can legitimately document that Amanda had a mop in her hand when the postal police arrived.

The postal police testified in their depositions that when they arrived, Amanda and Raffaele were SITTING CALMLY in the garden.

As for your questions about how Raffaele knew nothing was missing from Filomena's room, I don't know what his exact words were but I presume he was speculating. He and Amanda had looked in Filomena's room and noticed it had been rifled but that her computer was still there. The computer, of course, being the most valuable item that would be noticed by a computer scientist.
Hi Mary H,
WOW!
That's putting your $$$ where your mouth is! Put up or shut up!
RWVBWL
 
Hi Mary H,
WOW!
That's putting your $$$ where your mouth is! Put up or shut up!
RWVBWL
FYI,
I do not know the answer to that, but I had assumed the mop story was true, I guess if it's repeated enough it beomes true. Is it?
I too will have to check. Where's Shuttlt when you need him?
RWVBWL
 
Michael at PMF said:
Hi Bolint. If it was it wasn't reported. Since that would have been such an important element within the Postal Police testimony, it isn't credible for me that it was discussed and not reported. Therefore, I feel that until we hear otherwise, we need to regard the mop holding as a rumour.

so far as I know the mop was at the entrance to the cottage.
 
Thanks, RWVBWL. Did you get your sun?
Hi Mary H,
Gorgeous morning here in Los Angeles, now it's breezy again. T-shirt is off, shorts are on. Been fun chatting with others about different theories I have about what happened, from a street persons perspective! I still believe that the break-in was simply Guede trying to see if anyone was home hours later under cover of darkness, and that he had the apartments keys...
 
It's great to have your perspective, RWVBWL. You may not be aware that the night in question was at the beginning of a long holiday weekend in Perugia. Since Rudy hung out with the guys who lived downstairs, he may very well have been aware that they and some of their upstairs roommates were going to be away from the cottage with family and friends.
 
I don't even think "Kermit" is going to pretend it's his real name, which is fine. Everyone posts under fake names. But when you do an open letter that's a little different. (The one power point I saw, you'll notice a little "Kermit the Frog" as the helpful guide).


I have no idea if it's his real name or not. Quite frankly the question never occurred to me until you made such a point of it. As I said, I know people named Kermit, so there was no sense of incongruity. For all I know he adapted a frog sigil because of his name.

I don't see it as invalid criticism. If you actually hope to achieve something with an open letter, you put your real name on it, and what qualifies you as an important person to be listening to, otherwise it will be thrown in the trash and not taken seriously. Now you may not agree with the open letter by the scientists, but if far more likely to persuade someone as the names and position of the signers are there.

If that was the only criticism you had of his letter then it most certainly was an invalid one. This is not atypical of the dialogue presented by those without useful or relevant criticism. It is also a typical refuge to deny and accuse when called out on their lack of substance.

If "Kermit" actually wanted to accomplish something, he would have tried to get others to sign it with their real names as well put his own down.


A letter representing a viewpoint generated from a forum thread, in response to a comment on that thread, and accompanied by the user names of the people participating in that discussion would have as much, if not more weight than names unrelated to the event, which is what RL names would be in this case.

The recurrent surges of new forum membership specifically to participate in this thread, many of whose agenda and ammunition is very narrowly sourced makes it obvious that this thread is well known to the FOA machine we are so constantly reassured does not exist. They will have no illusions about the provenance of Kermit's letter, or its import.

And come on, Kermit is a big boy. I actually have a much more eccentric name than he does, and if someone makes fun of it I can handle it. I'm sure he can too.


I, too, am graced with a name which was the impetus for no small amount of schoolyard taunts. Fortunately I was physically prepossessing enough for those taunts to be short-lived.

Nonetheless I managed to come away from those experiences with a sense that taunting people about their names was inappropriate behavior, and learned to avoid it myself. I'm sorry that you did not.
 
I'd like to see some evidence that backs up her claim. She and Raffaele just have too many differences in their account of that night. As a result I cannot just take her word for it.

It is up to the prosecutor, not the defendant, to prove claims.

From November 2nd to November 5th, there were no differences in Amanda's and Raffaele's claims. You will read (repeatedly) that Amanda lied (repeatedly), but when the police took her into the interrogation, she had not lied to them once. They have admitted that they interrogated her based on their "intuition."

That, I believe, would be the "intuition" between their legs.

I would like to see a record of anything Amanda and Raffaele said BEFORE their interrogations that demonstrates their stories were at odds with each other.
 
so far as I know the mop was at the entrance to the cottage.

Oh noes!!1!11! Not that pesky mop again.

The only reason it's featured is because Amanda is the one who keeps talking about it. She writes about it in her alibi email of 04 NOV 2007. She treats us to its importance again--three or four times--in her court testimony. She even adds that she was munching on biscuits with Raffaele (again with the what's-for-supper backdrop that appears to frame all events in her life) while discussing all the 'strange things' back at the cottage.

Apparently the water leak was so bad that it didn't evaporate in over twelve hours. Yet she testified it was no problem to mop up "quickly".

It sounds like the only person who really knows why that mop was so crucial is Amanda. Maybe Charlie Wilkes can use his inside sources to find out just what's so damned important about it.
 
Do you accept that RS said that his previous statements were not correct, when he was interviewed on 5th November? If you do, why do you think he did that?
 
That, I believe, would be the "intuition" between their legs.

What? What can this possibly mean?

Are you including Monica Napoleoni in this? Please, tell us all the salacious details. This is new. This is exciting.

:popcorn6
 
I have no idea if it's his real name or not. Quite frankly the question never occurred to me until you made such a point of it. As I said, I know people named Kermit, so there was no sense of incongruity. For all I know he adapted a frog sigil because of his name.



If that was the only criticism you had of his letter then it most certainly was an invalid one. This is not atypical of the dialogue presented by those without useful or relevant criticism. It is also a typical refuge to deny and accuse when called out on their lack of substance.




A letter representing a viewpoint generated from a forum thread, in response to a comment on that thread, and accompanied by the user names of the people participating in that discussion would have as much, if not more weight than names unrelated to the event, which is what RL names would be in this case.

The recurrent surges of new forum membership specifically to participate in this thread, many of whose agenda and ammunition is very narrowly sourced makes it obvious that this thread is well known to the FOA machine we are so constantly reassured does not exist. They will have no illusions about the provenance of Kermit's letter, or its import.




I, too, am graced with a name which was the impetus for no small amount of schoolyard taunts. Fortunately I was physically prepossessing enough for those taunts to be short-lived.

Nonetheless I managed to come away from those experiences with a sense that taunting people about their names was inappropriate behavior, and learned to avoid it myself. I'm sorry that you did not.

Oh right, cause these people don't run to PMF to call us names like "blowhards" and similar low level insults, because they can't make that personal attack here. They are all so adult and polite.

Was the open letter only posted to this forum? I thought Kermit was trying to make a big splash of importance. It's not my only criticism, and in fact it was more advice on how to it would actually be effective. But maybe I didn't understand the context cause I don't waste my time reading every single post here.

Edit: I'm actually not that interested in a lame open letter to Dave Marriot anyways. I'm done talking about it frankly--it's not interesting at all anymore. What I'm more interested is in what I asked earlier about how covering the body had to be a woman, or that it shows remorse. Care to take a gander? Anyone?
 
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Do you accept that RS said that his previous statements were not correct, when he was interviewed on 5th November? If you do, why do you think he did that?

He did that because the police presented him with a different (false) version of events and eventually persuaded him to agree with them. He said he had not thought about the inconsistencies, but that's because there were no inconsistencies until the police provided him with some.
 
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