Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Charlie Wilkes said:
Alt+F4 writes:

The questions is, if the evidence of innocence is as clear as you say it is, why didn't the jury see it as well?

In Wenatchee, Washington, prosecutors spun lurid tales of children being passed around as sexual trinkets in mass orgies. Juries convicted more than 20 people and sent them to prison. They didn't stop to wonder why little girls who had supposedly been gang-raped were found to have intact hymens.

In New Jersey, prosecutors told an incredible story of how a young woman with no criminal history conducted daily orgies in which a dozen or more toddlers smeared feces on one another and licked peanut butter off each other's genitals. A jury convicted her. They didn't stop to wonder how all this depraved activity could have taken place in a church basement where parents or other people might (and did) walk through the door at any moment.

People place too much trust in authority. Raise the voltage and give the "learner" another jolt. Dr. Milgram says it's the right thing to do.
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There have been cases like this all over the world, including a similar "child abuse" case in SK. It ruined many lives before it was revealed.

The differences here are obvious.

All you need to do is to provide a cohesive and supportable alternate narrative that fits the mountain of evidence against the three convicted killers. It shouldn't be that difficult if they are indeed innocent.
 
stilicho said:
See, I actually agree with HumanityBlues. I think covering up the body is a sign of wanting it out of view while scouring the murder scene for incriminating evidence and not out of compassion.

But I wanted his opinion of it.
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Thank you, thank you. That's exactly why a killer covers up the body. Mignini should know that if he's such an expert. That isn't rocket science at all. And I'm glad you've shown some good sense Stilicho.

However, I would like to see one of the prosecution fans defend why it must have been a woman to cover the body. Any takers?
 
Fulcanelli said:
The FOA should be glad of it, for Judge Massie agreed with it and thanks to that he granted Amanda very generous mitigation indeed. Were it not for that, she'd be looking at a good deal more than 26 Years.
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If judge Massei really agreed with it, he's wrong. He's wrong. I'd like to see you be honest and admit it.
 
HumanityBlues said:
Thank you, thank you. That's exactly why a killer covers up the body. Mignini should know that if he's such an expert. That isn't rocket science at all. And I'm glad you've shown some good sense Stilicho.

However, I would like to see one of the prosecution fans defend why it must have been a woman to cover the body. Any takers?
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Did the jury say that they accepted Mignini's theory as fact and this helped them to decide to convict Amanda?
 
capealadin said:
Kermit Roosevelt...Son of Theodore Roosevelt...
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HumanityBlues said:
I don't quite get your strange humor, but if I signed an open letter and actually thought it was important, I would have put my real name on it--not the name of a muppet.
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KermitWP

People:


It's not just for Muppets anymore.

... or before.

It's not an obscure and uncommon name now, and was even more common years ago. When Jim Henson was growing up, for example..

This does not reflect well on the depth of your educational background. Maybe you should try to move beyond children's TV shows.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
Did the jury say that they accepted Mignini's theory as fact and this helped them to decide to convict Amanda?
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I believe Massei actually saw it as an act of "compassion" and "remorse", which was a mitigating factor in the sentencing.

I would love to see a person here defend it.
 
HumanityBlues said:
I believe Massei actually saw it as an act of "compassion" and "remorse", which was a mitigating factor in the sentencing.

I would love to see a person here defend it.
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I'm not going to defend what he said...I will agree that I believe it was used as a mitigating factor come sentencing time - same as with the issue of how the knife arrived at the cottage.

In this situation, it wasn't Amanda's compassion that was shown, it was that of Mignini and Massei.


And I also would like to quote the question Alt + F4 asked:

Did the jury say that they accepted Mignini's theory as fact and this helped them to decide to convict Amanda?
 
quadraginta said:
KermitWP

People:


It's not just for Muppets anymore.

... or before.

It's not a obscure and uncommon name now, and was even more common years ago. When Jim Henson was growing up, for example..

This does not reflect well on the depth of your educational background. Maybe you should try to move beyond children's TV shows.
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I'll put my educational background against yours if you want to make petty personal attacks like that. Do you seriously think his real name is Kermit? Did he sign a letter with that first name? Actually, Kermit is a pretty rare name

What I want to know is who commissioned this open letter? What evidence was withheld from Kermit? Can we trust his sources, who are they? (hahaha, get it?--please don't actually answer, I don't care.)
 
BobTheDonkey said:
I'm not going to defend what he said...I will agree that I believe it was used as a mitigating factor come sentencing time - same as with the issue of how the knife arrived at the cottage.

In this situation, it wasn't Amanda's compassion that was shown, it was that of Mignini and Massei.


And I also would like to quote the question Alt + F4 asked:

Did the jury say that they accepted Mignini's theory as fact and this helped them to decide to convict Amanda?
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If you were a judge in a murder case, would you really take off years just because they covered the body?!!? Come on, you don't have to defend everything the judges or Mignini say.
 
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re: "same as with the issue of how the knife arrived at the cottage."

That theory has gotta be a joke. No gal carries a huge knife like the one in question around town in her purse, especially for protection.
RWVBWL
 
HumanityBlues said:
If you were a judge in a murder case, would you really take off years just because they covered the body?!!? Come on, you don't have to defend everything the judges or Mignini says.
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Remorse as a mitigating factor in sentencing is nothing new. It is up to an individual judge's discretion.
 
HumanityBlues said:
I'll put my educational background against yours if you want to make petty personal attacks like that. Do you seriously think his real name is Kermit? Did he sign a letter with that first name? Actually, Kermit is a pretty rare name

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Making fun of names isn't a petty personal attack? That was your serious critique of Kermit's letter?

I know a guy named Kermit at work. He's older than the Muppets. So's his old man (he's a Jr.) How rare is rare?
 
HumanityBlues said:
If you were a judge in a murder case, would you really take off years just because they covered the body?!!? Come on, you don't have to defend everything the judges or Mignini says.
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I don't think they did. I think the judgement was in line with the sentence handed down to RG.

However, I believe the emotional appeal you've mentioned was a prelude to explaining why the sentences won't be reduced on appeal for RS and AK. Remember, there is a lot more to this than just feeding data into a computer. The judges are weighing the levels of responsibility and the levels of remorse demonstrated by the accused. This part goes beyond the actual nuts and bolts of the evidence and on to much less objective judgement.

We still have the appeals to follow, of course, and even the motivations report to read. But doesn't it make sense for the judges (and the prosecutors) to appear to take all the emotional factors into account in the first sentencing? RG got his reduction only for taking the fast-track. RS and AK shouldn't get a similar reduction because everything has already been taken into account and they've been shown as much mercy as the court possibly can without their co-operation in any way, shape or form.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Don't wreck it for Shuttlt. He really wants to know about that Pizza.

You see Shuttlt has no care in the world about the outcome of this case. He is simply here to dissect the arguments. He is fascinated by small details that have no bearing on the case.

Let him keep looking. This is a hobby for him.
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The pizza issue was only of interest to the extent that we know that Amanda had supper on 5 Nov 2007, and therefore the FOA / Entourage claim that she was denied food doesn't really make much sense.

I think you're fully aware, Bruce, that the question is if the claim that Giobbi knew they were guilty because they were eating pizza comes from any source other than the likes of Chris Mellas, or that reliable FOA work-horse, Paul "Private Eye" Ciolino.

Was it you who claimed that there was some sort of voice or video recording of Giobbi saying this?
 
quadraginta said:
Making fun of names isn't a petty personal attack? That was your serious critique of Kermit's letter?

I know a guy named Kermit at work. He's older than the Muppets. So's his old man (he's a Jr.) How rare is rare?
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I don't even think "Kermit" is going to pretend it's his real name, which is fine. Everyone posts under fake names. But when you do an open letter that's a little different. (The one power point I saw, you'll notice a little "Kermit the Frog" as the helpful guide).

I don't see it as invalid criticism. If you actually hope to achieve something with an open letter, you put your real name on it, and what qualifies you as an important person to be listening to, otherwise it will be thrown in the trash and not taken seriously. Now you may not agree with the open letter by the scientists, but if far more likely to persuade someone as the names and position of the signers are there.

If "Kermit" actually wanted to accomplish something, he would have tried to get others to sign it with their real names as well put his own down.

And come on, Kermit is a big boy. I actually have a much more eccentric name than he does, and if someone makes fun of it I can handle it. I'm sure he can too.
 
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