Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Fiona]

The Kercher family is difficult to fathom – they, of all people, must be thoroughly familiar with the facts, and one would assume they would be hell-bent on seeing the real murderer punished.

Nothing much has been heard from them, or about them, excepting the ubiquitous platitude that they “maintained a dignified silence”. But they are, they say, "happy" with the verdict, so presumably they are happy that Knox and Sollicito, who they manifestly can have NO WAY of knowing for sure were involved in Meredith's death, are having their lives destroyed. Nevertheless, they (rather pointedly, it seems to me) avoid expressing any *explicit* belief in the guilt of the two.

Notwithstanding their loss, I’m afraid to say I don't perceive this silence of theirs as "dignified", at all. In my view, they could and should have made an effort to stop this grotesque farce in its tracks long ago, as soon as the prima facae evidence against Guede became known and he was caught while on the run in Germany.

They have, in effect, made themselves complicit in the reduction of Meredith’s killer’s jail sentence from an already lenient 30 years to 14. (I hope this is rectified somehow, and I have to say that I wish Guede all the ill in the world at the hands of his fellow inmates).

As I say, puzzling, but at least one explanation suggests itself.

Westerners are now inured to what is referred to as the 'cult of the individual' (essentially, egoism and self-love), the notion that anyone and everyone is entitled to believe they are 'special', and that any premature death is a 'tragedy'.

One frequently hears about survivors of disasters such as air-crashes expressing feelings of "guilt" for their own survival and that they could somehow have "made a difference" and "done more" to save others.

In fact, they have simply been confronted with the stark reality that they are NOT "special", that any of us can have our lives ended in an instant for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are trying to rationalise their feelings and regain their lost sense of "being in control of their destiny" from which they’ve been so abruptly disabused.

The Italian prosecutions' elaborate and theatrical "narrative" of a "frenzy of drug-fuelled sex and violence" instigated by the charismatic "Luciferina" Knox seems to have hypnotised the Kerchers and served to allow them (and others) to remain in denial of the fact that Meredith’s death was the result of a completely random and meaningless act of savagery by an utter nobody, that she was NOT a protagonist in a tableau resembling a Greek tragedy.

Add to this an undoubted combination of ingratiation and badgering by Mignini (if not his typical bullying), and they simply allowed themselves to become (literally) mute bystanders to the spectacle he was orchestrating.

If this isn’t so, then less charitably, I have to note that if Guede alone had been convicted of the murder, the Kerchers would have had to forget about any financial 'compensation' for Meredith’s death, but with that of two others from relatively affluent families......

If they would come to their senses, they’d put the Italian police in their sights for litigation.

Guede, who by late 2007 had been steadily building a reputation as a drug-using, knife-wielding thief and burglar, should have been arrested before he ever got a chance to be in Meredith's home. The cops’ incompetence and negligence (or worse) had left him on the streets. I'm no lawyer, but I'd say they'd have a good case.

(Guede’s various stories with “some other dude” killing Meredith? Either he cut her throat himself or he FACILITATED IT by taking this “other dude” to her home, and then fleeing to a disco to try and set up an alibi, leaving her to die. Either way, it would make him no less guilty. He remains a God-damned, worthless liar.)

If the Kerchers are able to escape Mignini and his cronies’ (and their own venal lawyers’) ingratiation and distance themselves from them, perhaps this will dawn on them one day.

Classy

 

[Fulcanelli]

Do you have evidence of that other than the what one officer said almost 2 years after the event? If it was so important to prove that the window was broken from the inside, where are the pictures of the ground below the window? Why doesn't the glass on the outer sill actually line up with the shutter line? Where is kermit with a PPT showing a pile of glass and an abrupt termination at the shutter line?

The evidence in that room is 100% consistent with someone throwing a rock in through the window from the outside. The conjecture that Amanda and Raffaele spent time meticulously staging the burglary 2 doors down from Amanda's murdered roommate is pure fantasy. There is zero evidence that the break-in was staged except for the circular reasoning that Amanda didn't need to break-in because she had a key.

And the Perugia police are so blind they couldn't see a stick if they were standing in front of a wall of sticks.

It's not about what the officer said, it's about what the investigation said. As for the pictures, I'm sure they were presented in the trial (unlike you, we don't immediately assume that if it isn't on the web then it doesn't exist).

You need to explain this '100% consistent', am I missing something, if so, what?

Zero evidence the break-in was staged? Please review: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5834900&postcount=7036

And while you're at it, you can show us the mythological 'stick', for which you have hitherto provided nothing to evidence the existence of.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Such a shame then that Kermit had to prod and poke you to say something. Anyone might think you were merely paying lip service.

If you have read the book, then you know exactly what I am talking about. It would be very disrespectful to Meredith to repeat that vile garbage here.

Barbie is your source. You know what she wrote. Stop playing games.

 

[Fulcanelli]

If you have read the book, then you know exactly what I am talking about. It would be very disrespectful to Meredith to repeat that vile garbage here.

Barbie is your source. You know what she wrote. Stop playing games.

Stop being coy. It's in a book, it's been published. The horse has bolted from the barn. So, post it here and we will tell you if we are in agreement on whether it's so terrible or not.

 

[Kermit]

Book 'em Chin Ho! That's what you get for going to the Daisyhill Detective Academy

Do you have evidence of that other than the what one officer said almost 2 years after the event? If it was so important to prove that the window was broken from the inside, where are the pictures of the ground below the window? Why doesn't the glass on the outer sill actually line up with the shutter line? Where is kermit with a PPT

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Pssssstttttt ???!!!

Hey everyone, I know that it's been a rough few days and some tempers have flown, so you know what? I'm going to do a fast PPT.

And I'm going to dedicate it to Dan O. (Book 'em Chin Ho!)

And - please, I'll have to ask for your participation in this, fellow posters, whatever your point of view may be - the joke will be on Dan O, because he has me on "Ignore", and he'll never know!!!!

((Don't know if I'll have it tonight ... it'll be real simple whatever it is))

 

[Fulcanelli]

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Pssssstttttt ???!!!

Hey everyone, I know that it's been a rough few days and some tempers have flown, so you know what? I'm going to do a fast PPT.

And I'm going to dedicate it to Dan O. (Book 'em Chin Ho!)

And - please, I'll have to ask for your participation in this, fellow posters, whatever your point of view may be - the joke will be on Dan O, because he has me on "Ignore", and he'll never know!!!!

((Don't know if I'll have it tonight ... it'll be real simple whatever it is))

Will it have a stick in it? (bounces up and down).

 

[Fiona]

Total BS tsig. The police had already asked Amanda about the text message^*. Even if Patrick wasn't named explicitly, he was the subject of the conversation at the time.


(*)"Ci vediamo piu tardi, Buona serata." (Translation: Lets have a jolly good time tonight and murder my roommate)

The text message was the subject of the conversation. Only Amanda knew who it was to

 

[capealadin]

Thank you, Kermit. Can,t wait. Dan O....I think he scaaaaaaaared of you!!!!

 

[stilicho]

I abandoned that thread because you were not interested in exploring the possibility but only in throwing more rocks at Amanda and Raffaele.

Your repeated call for "Pick one scenario " shows just how despicable your intentions are. Do you really think that by finding a flaw in one Lone Wolf Scenario you will defeat the Lone Wolf theory? If you were a skeptic, you would accept the challenge to develop a viable alternate theory and not try to dismiss them by throwing in strawmen.

Pardon me? Do you want someone who believes that justice was done and that ILE properly conducted themselves in the investigation and prosecution of AK, RS, and RG to now arrive at an alternate scenario? Why would I want to?

That's your job.

I don't know how many times you've no-true-scotsmanned this thread with the unfounded suggestion that only a 'real' sceptic can 'see' that AK and RS were unjustly imprisoned. Show me the evidence. Outline the narrative. I have been waiting with bated breath for the last four months.

To your personal credit, you tried to glue together a narrative, even so far as to explain at the start that it wouldn't work if you included any of the mountain of evidence pointing to AK and RS.

 

[stilicho]

There is zero evidence that the break-in was staged except for the circular reasoning that Amanda didn't need to break-in because she had a key.

There are many good reasons provided by the prosecution as to why the break-in was known to be staged. They're contained in the Massei Report. I don't even think "AK-has-a-key" figures into the reasoning.

 

[capealadin]

I Amanda can,t remember what happened that night, then I quess she doesn,t remember doing it. In her *gift* the following morning, she blames "stress, shock and exhaustion*. NOT A PEEP about being beaten. That would have headed the list, had it happened. In saying that if Raffaele had murdered Meredith, cleaned the knife, pressed her fingerprints on the knife, and acted the next couple of days: Amanda says she *highly doubts it*. Correct response: That's impossible. We were together here the whole night.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Stop being coy. It's in a book, it's been published. The horse has bolted from the barn. So, post it here and we will tell you if we are in agreement on whether it's so terrible or not.

Apparently I have more respect for Meredith than you do.

Simple question. Have you read the book?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I Amanda can,t remember what happened that night, then I quess she doesn,t remember doing it. In her *gift* the following morning, she blames "stress, shock and exhaustion*. NOT A PEEP about being beaten. That would have headed the list, had it happened. In saying that if Raffaele had murdered Meredith, cleaned the knife, pressed her fingerprints on the knife, and acted the next couple of days: Amanda says she *highly doubts it*. Correct response: That's impossible. We were together here the whole night.

Here is what Amanda wrote in her diary;

Amanda wrote in her diary regarding the DNA on the knife. In her diary, she explains to herself that it would be impossible for Meredith's DNA to be on the blade. She imagined how ridiculous the scenario would have to be for that to have happened. Amanda wrote this excerpt:

"Raffaele and I have used this knife to cook, and it's impossible that Meredith's DNA is on the knife because she's never been to Raffaele's apartment before. So unless Raffaele decided to get up after I fell asleep, grabbed said knife, went over to my house, used it to kill Meredith, came home, cleaned the blood off, rubbed my fingerprints all over it, put it away, then tucked himself back into bed, and then pretended really well the next couple of days, well, I just highly doubt all of that."

Read again what Amanda wrote, “It’s impossible that Meredith’s DNA is on the knife because she’s never been to Raffaele’s apartment.” Think about what she wrote. Amanda only thought about the possibility of DNA from Meredith visiting Raffaele's apartment, not from being murdered. That never even occurred to her. It was a natural, human mistake. One that suggests Amanda's innocence.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Why do I have this strange sense of Deja vu?


It's been made with one of the pointed corners or the rock... neither the 'flat' sides of the rock, nor the edges produce that kind of damage.


The rock wasn't thrown. You do not need to throw the rock in order to break the window.


Which tells us the rock was most likely not thrown.


That would have been a reasonable conclusion were it not that the rock couldn't landed where it did if it were thrown from outside AND damage the inside shutter the way it did. And that's the problem, you can achieve one of the two but you can't do both.
Ok, but the same is true for anyone else closing the outside shutter.


undoubtedly some of the glass would have been pushed into the room, but likewise some glass would have been pushed outside. But as someone else suggested, try this with scrabble pieces on window sill in your own home. I guarantee you that no matter how ofter you try, you will always have a few pieces that will fall outside.

Perhaps

Your theory about the rock placement on the floor is incorrect. The rock hit the inside shutter and went downward toward the floor knocking over the purse and landing on the edge of the bag after also knocking the bag over.

It is not reasonable to believe that Amanda and Raffaele moved the purse and the bag and placed the rock in that location. That would be some pretty well thought out "staging." Highly unlikely seeing that the room isn't even trashed. There was no staging. There is no evidence of staging in the room.

The rock also left dust and small pieces of the rock on the floor from the rock hitting the floor. The rock was not placed on the floor.

The rock has many different surfaces. It would deflect in different directions depending on what part of the rock hit the shutter. You could throw the rock at that shutter 100 times and it would end up in a different place every time.

Scrabble pieces are not a good example at all. They are plastic and they are much thicker. Rudy would have pushed the glass toward the room as he dragged his body through the window. He would not "push off" of the ledge to enter. He pulled himself through.

 

[capealadin]

Bruce: Please read correctly. I said in her *gift*. Her written confession. Not her self serving diary, written for herself, and then of course hopefully, *LEAKED* out for the world to see. I see you make no mention of the fact that there was NO mention of a beating in her confession.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Since the inside shutters would have had to have been open into the room when the window was broken from the inside, why is a mark required on the outside shutters? (you understand the window was also open when it was broken and that window opens inwards?).


Nonsense. Did he also pick up all the shards of glass that fell to the ground below and and carry them back into the cottage to drop into the room or onto the inner or outer sill? If not, where is the glass that should be outside? The outer shutters were clearly closed when the window was broken.

I addressed this question in my earlier post. If the window was open and it was broken from the inside, all of the glass would have landed on the floor.

For you theory to work, Amanda and Raffaele would have had to pick up that glass off of the floor and put it on the window sill.

This window was broken from a rock that was thrown from outside. The photographs prove this.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Bruce: Please read correctly. I said in her *gift*. Her written confession. Not her self serving diary, written for herself, and then of course hopefully, *LEAKED* out for the world to see. I see you make no mention of the fact that there was NO mention of a beating in her confession.

I Amanda can,t remember what happened that night, then I quess she doesn,t remember doing it. In her *gift* the following morning, she blames "stress, shock and exhaustion*. NOT A PEEP about being beaten. That would have headed the list, had it happened. In saying that if Raffaele had murdered Meredith, cleaned the knife, pressed her fingerprints on the knife, and acted the next couple of days: Amanda says she *highly doubts it*. Correct response: That's impossible. We were together here the whole night.
That was your post. I responded to your post above. You referenced her diary.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Bruce: Please read correctly. I said in her *gift*. Her written confession. Not her self serving diary, written for herself, and then of course hopefully, *LEAKED* out for the world to see. I see you make no mention of the fact that there was NO mention of a beating in her confession.

This is what Amanda wrote;

"If there are still parts that don't make sense, please ask me. I'm doing the best I can, just like you are. Please believe me at least in that, although I understand if you don't. All I know is that I didn't kill Meredith, and so I have nothing but lies to be afraid of."

This doesn't sound like a confession to me. I will let you come to your own conclusion.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

There are many good reasons provided by the prosecution as to why the break-in was known to be staged. They're contained in the Massei Report. I don't even think "AK-has-a-key" figures into the reasoning.

Amanda's "key" was a major sticking point for Mignini. The problem with Mignini's theory is, Rudy didn't need a key. He came through the window.

The Massei report is incorrect. The report is not evidence. The report is an interpretation of the evidence by two judges.

If these reports were always correct, there would be no need for the appeals process.

 

[capealadin]

Bruce: I will make it simple: In Amanda's written confession, : She says she was stressed, in shock, and exhausted. She makes NO MENTION of being beaten. That's in her confession. In later statments, she says *She highly doubys it*. The correct response to that statement, no matter when or where written: It,s impossible.