Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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katy_did writes:

Hmm, let's step back a second here. You say "Rudy leaves none of his DNA on the towels". How do we know? They were never tested.

They were tested with the following results:

Rep. 60 - Blood-soaked green towel found beneath body - no profile obtained (3 samples); 2 hair formations were also found but were unsuitable for DNA analysis.

Rep. 61 - Blood-soaked light-colored towel found next to body - match for victim (both of 2 samples); a number of hair formations found on this towel were examined but were unsuitable for DNA analysis.

Rep. 62 - Beige towel on mattress - match for victim (all of five samples); hair formations were also examined but found unsuitable for DNA analysis.

How is it possible that no DNA was found on Rep. 60, a blood-soaked towel, you might wonder. Answer: because Perugia's ace detectives let it rot it in a plastic bag before they sent it to the lab.

The broader problem with Fulcanelli's reasoning is that it doesn't explain how Amanda and Raffaele participated in this sloppy, unplanned murder without leaving a pattern of physical evidence in the murder room, as Guede did, rather than a single, isolated trace on the bra fastener.
 
Matthew Best said:
I don't know how you got that from Mary's post. She doesn't appear to say anything about "rounding them up" late at night. Perhaps you should try quoting the words you are responding to - it might help you.
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Perhaps you should pay more attention to Mary's post. More notably, that it was in response to Fulcanelli's claim regarding the timing of the interrogations of Amanda and Raffaele.

As such, Mary responded with information regarding interrogation techniques and why Police should prefer to interrogate subjects at night.

I then responded that "they (referring to Amanda and Raffaele) were not rounded up late at night".


Please, do try to keep up :)
 
Mary_H said:
It also has been reported the police were observing Patrick's cell phone activity -- they were aware he had switched either cell phones or sim cards in the days following the murder.
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There is actually an innocent explanation for this. The Italian police were recording everybody's phone activity for at least the last couple of years.

As for patrick switching sims or phones, have you noticed that the IMEI numbers between the two phones are sequential. Has anyone looked into whether Patrick had a dual sim phone (for business and personal use) or simply two identical phones for backup.
 
Good evening, everyone, or good morning: My first post here. If the police did arrest Patrick Lamumba late at night, they were justified, IMO. It was Amanda, who cried: "It was him, He's bad, I,m scared of him". If PL was indeed the murderer, and they had not acted immediately, and he killed someone else in the meantime, can you imagine the fallout? Another innocent life lost? Amanda knew him, worked for him. Who would know his character better?
 
Matthew Best said:
I am not the one who's failing to keep up.

Mary never mentioned anything about them being "rounded up at night", so your response was .... unresponsive.
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Mary's post was intended to present a scenario wherein Amanda and Raffaele were at the Questra late because that is a tactic frequently used by the Perugia Polizia. In support of this, she used Patrick's late-night arrest. This choice of evidence is what I was referring to when I stated (quite rightly) that they were not initially to be rounded up late at night as she had insinuated.

I doubt I'm the only one to read her post in this manner.
 
Fiona writes:

What is your point, caller?

I would like to depersonalize this issue by suggesting that problem is not what people here have been saying. The problem is that the media reported extensively on the allegation that Amanda left a shoe print on a pillow, but ignored the defense witness who showed that the marks in question match the treads on a shoe identical to Guede's. I just did a google search - "Amanda Knox shoe print" - with the following results:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/amanda_knox_shoe_print.gif

The public has been led to believe the police found Amanda's bloody footprints and shoe prints all over the crime scene. But those claims are based on a misrepresentation of what the evidence really shows. What investigators found were Guede's shoe prints coupled with luminol results that have no demonstrated connection to the murder and do not fit into a plausible scenario.
 
According to Patrick, he was arrested and interrogated during the day (though some dismiss this account)...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Lumumba-reveals-framed-Merediths-murder.html
At 6.30am on Tuesday, November 6, the bell to his fourth-floor flat in the town buzzed insistently and a woman's voice outside demanded he opened the door. He had barely had time to do so when the woman, assisted by, Patrick estimates, 15 to 20 others, barged their way in.​
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Fiona writes:

What is your point, caller?

I would like to depersonalize this issue by suggesting that problem is not what people here have been saying. The problem is that the media reported extensively on the allegation that Amanda left a shoe print on a pillow, but ignored the defense witness who showed that the marks in question match the treads on a shoe identical to Guede's. I just did a google search - "Amanda Knox shoe print" - with the following results:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/amanda_knox_shoe_print.gif

The public has been led to believe the police found Amanda's bloody footprints and shoe prints all over the crime scene. But those claims are based on a misrepresentation of what the evidence really shows. What investigators found were Guede's shoe prints coupled with luminol results that have no demonstrated connection to the murder and do not fit into a plausible scenario.
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I believe I presented a, somewhat, plausible scenario for the footprint in the bathroom.
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Mary's post was intended to present a scenario wherein Amanda and Raffaele were at the Questra late because that is a tactic frequently used by the Perugia Polizia. In support of this, she used Patrick's late-night arrest. This choice of evidence is what I was referring to when I stated (quite rightly) that they were not initially to be rounded up late at night as she had insinuated.

I doubt I'm the only one to read her post in this manner.
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If you think she "insinuated" that they were "rounded up late at night" you have a vivid imagination, but I can see you won't be persuaded on this point so never mind.
 
Dan O. said:
According to Patrick, he was arrested and interrogated during the day (though some dismiss this account)...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Lumumba-reveals-framed-Merediths-murder.html
At 6.30am on Tuesday, November 6, the bell to his fourth-floor flat in the town buzzed insistently and a woman's voice outside demanded he opened the door. He had barely had time to do so when the woman, assisted by, Patrick estimates, 15 to 20 others, barged their way in.​
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Thanks Dan :)
 
Matthew Best said:
If you think she "insinuated" that they were "rounded up late at night" you have a vivid imagination, but I can see you won't be persuaded on this point so never mind.
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So she wasn't suggesting that it was completely the choice of the Polizia to perform the interrogation late at night?
 
The nitty gritty is: If Amanda had not falsely accused Patrick Lamumba, he would not have been *rounded up, day OR night.* And would not have lost his business.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
The public has been led to believe the police found Amanda's bloody footprints and shoe prints all over the crime scene. But those claims are based on a misrepresentation of what the evidence really shows.
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You must live in a sheltered part of the USA. In the Pacific Northwest, where I reside (on the Canadian side of the border) we've been bombarded with stories like this:

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Flurry-of-activity-in-Amanda-Knox-case-91221099.html.

One mention of Meredith Kercher and plenty of emotional appeal for convicted killer Amanda Knox.

And who can forget nationally broadcast gems such as this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/08/48hours/main4929950.shtml

There's a whole litany of false statements and scarcely a mention of the victim, Meredith Kercher.
 
capealadin said:
Good evening, everyone, or good morning: My first post here. If the police did arrest Patrick Lamumba late at night, they were justified, IMO. It was Amanda, who cried: "It was him, He's bad, I,m scared of him". If PL was indeed the murderer, and they had not acted immediately, and he killed someone else in the meantime, can you imagine the fallout? Another innocent life lost? Amanda knew him, worked for him. Who would know his character better?
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In a civilized world, it takes more than a confused and coerced statement by one witness under interrogation to get someone arrested and imprisoned for two weeks. By jumping the gun and arresting him that morning, they eliminated any chance of gathering evidence from taping his phone or following his movements after he hears that Amanda and Raffaele were arrested. Their theory was a sex crazed orgy that got out of control. There was no risk of a repeat offense.


And welcome to JREF.
 
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Dan O. said:
That is a pretty bold lie.


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Are you claiming that the judge wanted to hold Amanda for trial because a strangers footprint was found in the victim's room?
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A lie? Where? Oh in your post. I see. People can read what I said, Dan_O. The part you omitted is pretty clear.

Shoe prints were found in the victim's room. They were all a match for Guede's shoes, except for one smaller one which has not been attributed to anyone and which was found on the pillow under Kechner's body. It did not match any of the shoes seized by the police. The print experts were able to say it was a size 37 or 38, and one of them said it was a particular type of tennis shoe.

A visible footprint was found on the bath mat in the bathroom the two girls shared. Two (in some reports three) more were found in the corridor, using luminol. Two bare bloody footprints were found in the bedroom of Filomena Romanelli, where the broken window was, also using luminol.

In Italy the judge must make the full reasons for his decision public. In his 106 page account of his reasons for deciding to commit Knox and her boyfriend for trial after the conviction of Guede, these footprints were a strong factor.
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You can apologise any time you like
 
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Dan O. said:
In a civilized world, it takes more than a confused and coerced statement by one witness under interrogation to get someone arrested and imprisoned for two weeks.
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There's an awful lot of hyperbole there, Dan...

She claimed to be an eyewitness, not only under interrogation but afterward when she was no longer under duress. All that happened before Lumumba was arrested.
 
capealadin writes:

Good evening, everyone, or good morning: My first post here. If the police did arrest Patrick Lamumba late at night, they were justified, IMO. It was Amanda, who cried: "It was him, He's bad, I,m scared of him". If PL was indeed the murderer, and they had not acted immediately, and he killed someone else in the meantime, can you imagine the fallout? Another innocent life lost? Amanda knew him, worked for him. Who would know his character better?

If she told them for four days straight that she spent the night at Raffaele's apartment and they thought she was lying, then why would they believe her when she implicates Lumumba? Who is responsible for solving crimes in Perugia? The police or Amanda Knox?

If the authorities were so concerned that a murderer might be at large, why did they not investigate bloody tissues with unknown DNA found outside the cottage, and cigarette butts with unknown DNA found inside the cottage? Maybe that DNA was left by someone involved in the murder. Or maybe it was left by the Italian girls, their boyfriends, and the downstairs tenants. There's no way of knowing without collecting reference samples from those people. But the people running this investigation didn't bother with such details, because they thought they were too smart to need evidence:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/giobbi.mp4

They got the whole case wrong from day one, and they have been desperately trying to hide their mistake ever since, blaming Amanda for the result of their own arrogance and incompetence.
 
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