Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Fiona said:
Bruce Fisher it might help if you read this thread. It has never been claimed that Knox's shoeprint was on the pillow, so far as I recall. I do remember saying that there was a smaller shoeprint which did not match Meredith's and did not match any of Amanda's shoes either and that the police did not attribute it.That was very early on and I do not recall that ever being challenged.

It seems to me that you were stating that there were five prints unambiguously matched to guede's. I do not think that is correct and I thought that was what the discussion was about. But if you feel you have won a point in saying that knox's shoeprint cannot be shown to be there then it really has been a waste of time because nobody said it was.
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Fiona, you have no reason to make a comment on this. This conversation between Kermit and myself started on the daily beast. You have been no part of this conversation.
 
Bruce,

If you would rather I drop this line of investigation and look at a different uncorrected error on PMF or TJMK I'd be happy to follow your lead.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Fiona, anyone can do what you just did to any site on the web to prove or disprove anything. Every single detail is not noted on any site. Every site would be completely over run with text and no one would read it. With your line of thinking, nothing would ever be proven one way or another. There would never be a conclusion.

I am sure that the readers on the board will agree with you. That's fine. Try your tactic with any site online. Break them all down sentence by sentence and see if every single point is referenced.
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The problem with that, Bruce Fisher, is the problem of premature conclusions.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
This entire conversation started because you were trying to discredit me because of the photographic evidence that I showed proving that Amanda's shoe print was not on the pillow.
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Bruce, that's not true and you know it.

You and I have never discussed Amanda's shoe print on the pillow until the last couple of hours.

Find me a post of mine which proves me wrong.

This conversation started on the Daily Beast comments when you were crowing about "five perfect matches". I challenged you on that, you were reticent to post the 5 matches, and when you finally did, I demonstrated that there was ample room to doubt that all five were so perfect.

No mention was made by me until tonight about Amanda's shoe, and then only as a reply to a question by you.


Bruce Fisher said:
You agree that Amanda's shoe print was not there. That's all I care about.
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Once again, Bruce, you are telling falsehoods, and you know it.

Have you ever asked yourself it the reason you get ridiculised is because you act ridiculously, putting words in mouths, and jumping beyond the bounds of logical connections between ideas?

There are other pro-Amanda people around here who don't get ridiculised, probably because they don't summarise other persons' postures with falsehoods, amongst other reasons.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Fiona, you have no reason to make a comment on this. This conversation between Kermit and myself started on the daily beast. You have been no part of this conversation.
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Message to Fiona: I'm pleased to hear your opinion, please do join Bruce and myself in our discussion about how I never stated to him that Amanda's shoe print was on the pillow.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
I'm losing interest.
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Fine. Don't say I didn't try. It does seem pretty weak to me if you claim they've been knowingly spreading lies for 2 years, but can't even link to one post showing that they spread the falsehood in question once, let alone repeatedly, and didn't correct it when better information became available. Also, if you're not interested in investigating and demonstrating their lies, it's inevitable that the focus will be on your errors.
 
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Bruce Fisher said:
think the petition is very credible. I was wrong about soap. It changes nothing in regard to the knife. The correction simply strengthened my argument.

So I guess your observation is in regard to those two items. If there is anything else that you see, I would be more than happy to talk about it.

Injustice in Perugia contains a lot of information. I have spoken with many people in regard to this case. I have done extensive research. The site provides very credible information. When minor errors are found, I correct them. I am human, I don't pretend to be perfect.
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Oh don't worry Bruce, it's far more then those couple of things, they were just to kick off. Anon, I shall demonstrate all of the false claims on your site in regard to Amanda's interrogation (You've kind of written a big fantasy there) ;)
 
Fulcanelli said:
Oh don't worry Bruce, it's far more then those couple of things, they were just to kick off. Anon, I shall demonstrate all of the false claims on your site in regard to Amanda's interrogation (You've kind of written a big fantasy there) ;)
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I have the impression you will be wasting your time, Fulcanelli. But it will be an interestng exercise if you have the time ;)
 
Guys,
I was hoping to get an answer to my question about the date on that "broken pipe" photo and who took that picture. Now I may never know. If you have some thoughts on that, I would appreciate it.
 
Fulcanelli said:
You are assuming he then bothered to wash his hands (most men don't bother after only a pee), you are then assuming he used a towel instead of shaking his hands off to dry them.
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Whoa, Fulc, slow down. Those are two unsupportable assumptions of your own, right there.

If you have some special knowledge of Italians' toilet habits, please share. Those comments are not at all consistent with my habits or observations; things may be different over there, of course.

Lord, this is sad, debating what men do after having a pee.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Fiona, you have no reason to make a comment on this. This conversation between Kermit and myself started on the daily beast. You have been no part of this conversation.
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You jumped on two of my posts that weren't responding to you so you really have no grounds to complain.
 
Hey Lector. I can't speak for Italians, but I know they've done tests in American public bathrooms to see the percentage of handwashers. I can't remember the results, but I remember they were surprising.

I always wash my hands but, I can't speak for everyone.....
 
I keep on wondering how in the towels as source of contamination scenario anyone would be able to distinguish between DNA deposited via direct contact and DNA deposited via secondary (or is that tertiary) transfer. I'm not sure if the possibility alone of secondary transfer should automatically exclude evidence.
And even a test of the towels would only show whether or not they could have been a possible source, not necessarily that they were the source of the DNA on the clasp. That is quite a conundrum.
 
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Bruce Fisher said:
Fiona, you have no reason to make a comment on this. This conversation between Kermit and myself started on the daily beast. You have been no part of this conversation.
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Bruce,

You are being unnecessarily rude here. This is a public discussion forum after all. If you do not want other people joining the conversation, then don't have a conversation in a public forum like this one.

Amazer
 
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