Somali Radicals and music

[Paradox74]

Just when I thought that the Middle couldn't get any nuttier:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...declare-music-un-islamic-and-radio-goes-tune/

 

[Complexity]

Ignorant nasty idiots.

 

[steve s]

The music decree follows a string of fundamentalist decrees, including prohibitions on wearing bras (also "un-Islamic"),

They just like to see boobs bounce. Dirty old men.

Steve S

 

[geni]

Just when I thought that the Middle couldn't get any nuttier:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/0...declare-music-un-islamic-and-radio-goes-tune/

Taliban had a simular ban and it was an issue back during the algerian civil war.

 

[Complexity]

Taliban had a simular ban and it was an issue back during the algerian civil war.

Don't forget the attempts by xians in the US.

 

[Manopolus]

Now I know that Somalia is a doomed country.

 

[Trent Wray]

Even intro music for news reports was scrapped. In its place? "We are using sounds such as gunfire, the noise of vehicles and the sound of birds to link up our programmes and news," said one Somalian head of radio programming.

WOW. Holy ****.

 

[lionking]

I see very little hope at all for that country.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Don't forget the attempts by xians in the US.

Wrong answer.

They were most often objecting to certain kinds and styles of music, not all music as the OP points out. (You are free to Goggle "make joyful noise unto the Lord" and much else if you like, but I doubt you'll bother to do so).

Significant difference ... and also note how successul it was(not).

If the story as told in the OP is true, I think it's funny that the radio stations subbed in gunfire and vehicle noise instead of music. A little creative thinking.

Even more interesting, the sounds of cars and trucks are found in any number of popular songs I grew up with, and gunfire wasn't that uncommon either ... nor cannon, such as in the finale to Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture. (Granted, that was gunfire with music, rather than instead of music).

DR

 

[TimCallahan]

History repeats itself. In Russia, ca. 1500, musical instruments were briefly banned.

There are a number of possible responses to this vie lot. One would be to buzz their territories with remote operate drones that would blare out Islamic music. Let these jerks shoot down planes playing music that glorifies Muhammad.

Another solution is to give military aid - short of sending our own troops in - to the Christian and pagan peoples of Darfur, so they can drive the Muslims out of their region. Then they could secede, and we could recognize the new country, while the Muslim north sinks into an abyss of hatred, ignorance and poverty.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

I see very little hope at all for that country.

It does break one's heart.

 

[Darth Rotor]

It does break one's heart.

Don't let it. What you once saw on the map as "Somalia" is in the process of breaking into three different lumps, with the northern third, or so, having the best prospects for salvaging something workable out of this mess.

(Been a few months, don't know where the Economist article on this is ... )

 

[Robin]

I understand they are even suppressing traditional music and dance in the villages - which makes it an act of cultural vandalism as well.

Even Saudi Arabia allows music.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I understand they are even suppressing traditional music and dance in the villages - which makes it an act of cultural vandalism as well.

Cultural vandalism?

Can you not also classify this as cultural change?

Cultures do change, whether you like the change or not.

(But I still think, personally, it's a screwed up idea by the no fun gang ... are we sure these Islamists aren't Baptists and Calvinists in disguise? Fake beards and such ... )

DR

 

[Robin]

Cultural vandalism?

Can you not also classify this as cultural change?

Cultures do change, whether you like the change or not.

(But I still think, personally, it's a screwed up idea by the no fun gang ... are we sure these Islamists aren't Baptists and Calvinists in disguise? Fake beards and such ... )

DR

OK. So the Taliban blowing up those Buddha statues was cultural change?

 

[Darth Rotor]

OK. So the Taliban blowing up those Buddha statues was cultural change?

In the sense that the Turks turned the Haga Sophia into a Mosque, from the greatest cathedral in Christendom, yes(doing something to deface another religion's holy site), but I'll grant you vandalism on the statues, given the method, that it was a physical act in the physical domain, and lack of ability to recover from same.

That said, not sure how much of a holy site the statues were, but IIRC it was of that kind.

Let us note for the record where you went from a metaphor, applying vandalism ( a physical act) to culture and swapped over to a literal version of vandalism. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

I ask for this reason: is their attempt to prohibit music and dancing likely to be permanent, or have permanent effect?

DR

 

[Nosi]

Could this kind of lunacy come to the United States?

 

[drkitten]

I ask for this reason: is their attempt to prohibit music and dancing likely to be permanent, or have permanent effect?

I would say "yes," although that's a function of how long the prohibition lasts. Once the last person who knows a particular song dies, the loss of the song is permanent.

We've seen/done this experiment with languages world-wide. Tell me about the oral tradition of fairy tales in Cornish? Oh, that's right,.... you can't. The last known monoglot speaker of Cornish died in the 17th century.

 

[Psi Baba]

Could this kind of lunacy come to the United States?

No one tells Clear Channel Communications what they can do. No one.

 

[Robin]

Let us note for the record where you went from a metaphor, applying vandalism ( a physical act) to culture and swapped over to a literal version of vandalism. Did you think I wouldn't notice?

Why did you think I was using a metaphor. I meant it in exactly the same sense as the act of destroying the statues.

I ask for this reason: is their attempt to prohibit music and dancing likely to be permanent, or have permanent effect?

Yes, as drkitten points out. If the ban goes on for long enough so that the particular traditional dance or song cannot be passed on and it has not been recorded then that dance or song can never come back.

It happens all the time as drkitten pointed out.

I stick by what I said, it is an act of cultural vandalism for them to suppress the traditional village dances and songs.