Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Bruce Fisher said:
If the clasp makes Raffaele guilty of murder then it makes the mystery people guilty also.

There is nothing else putting Raffaele at the scene of the crime. Nothing.
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Thanks for the nonsense. Fractured DNA isn't evidence, as were the other signatures. Copious amounts of DNA that resulted in a full profile that could only come about via direct and vigorous contact 'is' evidence. Raffaele's DNA had no business being there. It was there in volume and was a full intact profile.

Caught bang to rights.
 
I'm still waiting for Bruce's response to my question regarding the portion of the Massei Report I posted...here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5834900&postcount=7036

Where's that got to Bruce? Are you, or are you not, going to change the assertions on your site? If not, why not?

There were other questions too, I and others have asked. Each time you ignore them and return only to make assertions and accusations. It's about time you started giving answers.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
You are all being completely ridiculous. Your argument is pointless.

How did the DNA from unidentified people get on the clasp? That is the job of the prosecution to answer. They did not do that.
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No, that is not the prosecution's job. Why do you think that it is?


Bruce Fisher said:
I have repeated this a couple of times now. It is reasonable to say that the DNA on the clasp came from other people that have visited the cottage due to contamination.
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I don't find it reasonable (and I have some sympathy with some of your arguments).

Part of the issue on this point may be the meaning of "contamination." To me, that means spurious DNA that somehow got onto the bra after the murder & could not have been expected to be present as a result of the normal course events prior to that point in time.

I haven't seen any convincing arguments for contamination of the clasp in this sense.
 
I think some people are afraid to state they think evidence was planted. Part of that may be that at that point they might have to come up with evidence to back that up. Better to vaguely insinuate it. :rolleyes:
 
Fulcanelli said:
After the murder.
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You know it couldn't have been sealed right after the murder because they didn't discover the body until the next day. For the next few days they were still inside collecting evidence and all.

When was the cottage sealed and where is the event evidenced? If you don't know, just say so and we can all search the interwebs to see if there is a credible answer out there.
 
Why wasn't any of the DNA that was found on the clasp also found on the bra? You see, the bra was collected properly. It doesn't have Rafaele's DNA anywhere on it. It also doesn't have the extra mystery DNA.

The investigators screwed up. If they collected the clasp properly, all of these questions would be answered.
 
lector said:
No, that is not the prosecution's job. Why do you think that it is?



I don't find it reasonable (and I have some sympathy with some of your arguments).

Part of the issue on this point may be the meaning of "contamination." To me, that means spurious DNA that somehow got onto the bra after the murder & could not have been expected to be present as a result of the normal course events prior to that point in time.

I haven't seen any convincing arguments for contamination of the clasp in this sense.
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Contamination on the gloves is all the proof you need.

They didn't collect this evidence properly. Why won't anyone just admit that already?
 
Alt+F4 said:
At least you are admitting they are "mystery people" which means what you wrote on your website that the DNA "tested positive" for specific persons is a lie.
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Where did I say specific? You need to let this go. It's pointless.

Do you believe that the clasp is credible evidence?
 
Dan O. said:
You know it couldn't have been sealed right after the murder because they didn't discover the body until the next day. For the next few days they were still inside collecting evidence and all.

When was the cottage sealed and where is the event evidenced? If you don't know, just say so and we can all search the interwebs to see if there is a credible answer out there.
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I'll tell you what Dan O. Why don't you just explain to us off the bat exactly what it is you are alleging? How about that?

I for one am sick of all the innuendo and dishonest argument. If you have an argument to make, then MAKE it.
 
Fulcanelli said:
Look Fisher, I know you're newbie to this case and everything, but just because you weren't around during the last TWO YEARS of the case and missed the whole flurry of news articles about the police totally dismantling Raffaele's pipes and taking them away for inspection (which is part of the well known history of this case) don't be expecting others to hold your hand. Learn the history of the case, or, you can continue making a fool of yourself by showing everyone just how green you are every time you get close to a keyboard. Just a word from the wise.
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You have no credibility. You are just an angry human being that is losing control.
 
Agatha said:
I think you've demonstrated my point perfectly. First washing powder that you merrily claim to be dishwasher powder, and then claiming to know the movements of all the people whose DNA is on the bra clasp. You are asserting things without evidencing them.
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Yeah, I may have made a mistake on the soap. I will look into it. This has nothing to do with the fact that the clasp was mishandled.

Admit that the clasp wasn't properly handled.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Where did I say specific? You need to let this go. It's pointless.

Do you believe that the clasp is credible evidence?
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No one is buying your lie that DNA on the bra clasp "tested positive" to anyone that visited the apartment from early September to early November, 2007. You have no idea who the unidentified DNA belongs to, you have admitted that. Why you continue to lie, I don't know.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Why wasn't any of the DNA that was found on the clasp also found on the bra? You see, the bra was collected properly. It doesn't have Rafaele's DNA anywhere on it. It also doesn't have the extra mystery DNA.

The investigators screwed up. If they collected the clasp properly, all of these questions would be answered.
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Oh I don't know, because Raffaele didn't grab the bra?? Or maybe he did and no left no DNA. After all, if someone, in your scenario, can mountaineer up to a window, break-in, toss the room and not leave a shred of DNA in the process...surely one can do the same with a mere bra?
 
PMF repeated over and over again that Amanda was arrested back in Seattle. It was wrong. She simply received a ticket for noise. Does this mean that everything on the PMF site must be wrong?

I will look into the soap. Like I said, it is a small point but I will correct it if it's wrong.
 
Dan O. said:
You know it couldn't have been sealed right after the murder because they didn't discover the body until the next day. For the next few days they were still inside collecting evidence and all.

When was the cottage sealed and where is the event evidenced? If you don't know, just say so and we can all search the interwebs to see if there is a credible answer out there.
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Why are you just pulling random insinuations out of thin air?

If the argument is that none of the evidence (or selected evidence) is acceptable because of the timing of the cottage being sealed then please indicate to all of us when and where this was used by the defence teams to support their clients.

You do realise the implication of your charges, I hope. It would mean that all evidence--including that implicating RG--must therefore be thrown out of court due to the fact that the cottage was not immediately sealed after Meredith's murder. I suppose investigators in "Dan-O-World" teleport into and out of crimescenes.
 
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