Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Fulcanelli]

Your sarcasm doesn't make you stronger. Show me the photos of the ground. Small fragments could have very well ended up outside. We aren't talking about that much glass. Only a portion of the window is missing.

I can show you the testimony made in court that was accepted by the judge, with I would presume data to back it up, would that do?

 

[RoseMontague]

The way I see it there are three scenarios to explain the break in. Each have hard to explain its that don't allow me a complete understanding of what actually happened.

First scenario, the window was broken from the outside. The inside wooden blind of Filomena's window clearly shows damage and embedded glass and the glass scattered across the room onto the blue mat is consistent with a trajectory of the rock being thrown from outside in through the closed window. BUT the exterior wood shutters were closed according to testimony, making this theory next to impossible not to mention the lack of glass or trampled grass outside on the ground beneath.

Second scenario, the window was broken from the inside in its closed position. If the window was broken from the inside, how was it done? The glass on the sill could be consistent with holding the rock and breaking the window with the window closed and the outside shutter closed. If the rock were it is heavy enough to possibly knock the outside shutter open and cause glass to fall tpo the ground. BUT, if this happened how did the interior wood blind become damaged and embedded with glass and how did the glass get across the room onto the blue mat?

Third scenario, the window was broken from the inside while held open. If the window was held open with its wooden blind closed this would explain the damage to the blind BUT the broken glass would more likely have ended up on the clothes beneath the wardrobe rather than on the blue mat. Also in this scenario how did the glass end up on both sides of the window sill?

I know people here have considered all possibilities. I've read all the posts but have yet to be able to say for sure what I believe happened. Is there a complete explanation for the scattered glass, the damaged blind, the closed outside shutters as well as the final resting place of the rock?

You don't have scenario 3 quite right. The glass only ended up on one side of the sill and glass may have very well ended up on top of those clothes. Testimony seems to confirm that. That random piece of glass near the nightstand is much easier to explain in scenario 3 than in the first 2, in my opinion.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I would expect a burglar climbing in via a broken window to close the shutters. Being seen inside a house where you don't belong is likely to shorten your career as a burglar.

You would expect? We should judge this case on what you would expect?

You seem to expect a burglar would climb 15 feet to a window. What you 'expect' doesn't rank very high, at least not outside of Hollywood.

 

[stilicho]

I would expect a burglar climbing in via a broken window to close the shutters. Being seen inside a house where you don't belong is likely to shorten your career as a burglar.

Yes, much better to be seen and heard hurling boulders at a window or getting nabbed hanging from a window sill by your fingertips in full view of the road.

 

[quadraginta]

You sound proud. Post it up here so we can all analyse it. Personally, I'd rather not give you or your dump of a site the clicks. So, post it here, don't be shy.

do you honestly not have the URL?

Maybe you need to read my post again.

He already said he doesn't know enough to know what Google is. Maybe he doesn't know what "clicks" are, either.

He may not know what a "site" is. He certainly has problems with a "cite".

 

[Kermit]

Either by climbing or by reaching up with a stick. That they didn't close properly was clearly visible. It's the kind of thing a burglar would notice when picking a house for his next job.

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If the burglars in that part of Perugia are so careful in studying and preparing their next "job", why wouldn't this burglar in particular (ie. the imaginary one) have decided to go in through the logical and safe route, on the other side of the house, via the balcony?

Do you think that Rudy enjoyed the added professional challenge of going the least logical route?

 

[Bruce Fischer]

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If the burglars in that part of Perugia are so careful in studying and preparing their next "job", why wouldn't this burglar in particular (ie. the imaginary one) have decided to go in through the logical and safe route, on the other side of the house, via the balcony?

Do you think that Rudy enjoyed the added professional challenge of going the least logical route?

This question has been asked many times. You can also reverse that question and ask why would someone the lived in the cottage chose that window to stage a break in.

I know they have come up with some theories on PMF that everyone latched onto but they are pure speculation.

We can speculate forever and never reach a compromise. The burden of proof lies with the prosecution. They won round one. We will have to wait and see what happens in round two.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

He already said he doesn't know enough to know what Google is. Maybe he doesn't know what "clicks" are, either.

He may not know what a "site" is. He certainly has problems with a "cite".

You guys are really falling apart today. I think you need to call an emergency meeting back at PMF headquarters and regroup.

I noted that I talk about that subject quite often on my site. Do you really want me to clog up this entire board with all of the content that my site offers?

Why not just go to the site and read what I have to say? Bandwidth costs me money. I do not find site clicks an accomplishment. What benefit do I have getting site clicks that you are so worried about giving me? I have no paid advertising on my site.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Since you think the article is very good, do you agree with his conclusion that:



Even if you don't want to reveal your sources, are you saying there is evidence to back up this claim?

If you read the article, Mark describes a theory. Are you asking me to prove Mark's theory?

This "source" comments are getting silly. That only pertains to the photos and videos that I have acquired. I provide plenty of sources. We can stop that talking point now.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Will they be as devoid of the actual facts of the case as his first effort?

Keep trying to discredit Steve Moore. His credentials are excellent. I would recommend that you refrain from any derogatory talk about him on PMF. I saw that one of your members posted his photo there. You also confused him with another Steve Moore in Washington.

 

[Fulcanelli]

This question has been asked many times. You can also reverse that question and ask why would someone the lived in the cottage chose that window to stage a break in.

The answer to that question is quite obvious and I answered it few pages back.

 

[Fulcanelli]

You guys are really falling apart today. I think you need to call an emergency meeting back at PMF headquarters and regroup.

I noted that I talk about that subject quite often on my site. Do you really want me to clog up this entire board with all of the content that my site offers?

Do you have anything to offer aside from trolling? Like evidence or argument?

As for content, there is no such thing as too much information. Bring it on. we'll watch this space.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Keep trying to discredit Steve Moore. His credentials are excellent. I would recommend that you refrain from any derogatory talk about him on PMF. I saw that one of your members posted his photo there. You also confused him with another Steve Moore in Washington.

I'm not discrediting Moore. I'm discrediting his argument. That isn't difficult.

 

[Fiona]

. We can stop that talking point now.

Bruce Fisher has spoken

 

[Fulcanelli]

Why not just go to the site and read what I have to say? Bandwidth costs me money. I do not find site clicks an accomplishment. What benefit do I have getting site clicks that you are so worried about giving me? I have no paid advertising on my site.

Ahhh, suddenly you know what clicks are.

 

[Malkmus]

Originally Posted by Bruce Fisher
Fulcanelli, how do you explain the final resting place of the rock?

Oh I don't know...gravity?

This is one of the main points that, to me, doesn't add up. Supposedly RS and AK went through all this strategic planning of breaking the window from the inside, one throwing the rock while another held a blanket underneath to catch the falling glass, then spreading the falling glass in a trail along the floor, but didn't bother to place the rock in plain sight. I can see how the rock would have ended up in the bag whether thrown from the inside or outside. But, it seems odd, that if they were so careful about placing the glass strategically on the floor, that they then neglected the rock and left it in the bag. The rock being in the bag seems much more characteristic of someone who broke in and didn't care where the rock was left or whether it would be found.

I also find it hard to believe that either one threw a rock from the inside, while the other held a towel/blanket underneath the window to catch the glass. Not only would you risk the glass exploding in your face (as I've said before), but you also risk the rock smacking you in the face.

Also, were Amanda and Raffaele's clothes and shoes tested for glass fragments? Is it not true that LE suspected the fake break-in from the moment they saw the room? It's likely that had they thrown the rock from inside the room that they would have some glass "dusting" on their clothes, or the bottom of their shoes from stepping on it. Also, if the majority of the glass flew into the room from the rock being thrown from the outside, then it's conceivable that a small amount of glass could have flown a good distance away from the cottage. What was the parameter of the outside of the cottage that was checked for glass fragments? Did they only check directly underneath the window?

 

[Kestrel]

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If the burglars in that part of Perugia are so careful in studying and preparing their next "job", why wouldn't this burglar in particular (ie. the imaginary one) have decided to go in through the logical and safe route, on the other side of the house, via the balcony?

Do you think that Rudy enjoyed the added professional challenge of going the least logical route?

Filomena's window is in the shadows and mostly hidden from view. The nearest street light shines on the other side of the cottage. The balcony is in full view of the road and well lit at night.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Fulcanelli, how do you explain the final resting place of the rock?

Since the window was broken from the inside and the rock was wielded within the room and when done they could have put it anywhere and however they pleased...does how the rock was placed really require detailed explanation? This is hardly a great mystery, like the Turin Shroud or the Great Pyramid, we're discussing.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Filomena's window is in the shadows and mostly hidden from view. The nearest street light shines on the other side of the cottage. The balcony is in full view of the road and well lit at night.

And of course, nobody entering the cottage would notice Spiderman galloping up to the window.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Since the window was broken from the inside and the rock was wielded within the room and when done they could have put it anywhere and however they pleased...does how the rock was placed really require detailed explanation? This is hardly a great mystery, like the Turin Shroud or the Great Pyramid, we're discussing.

Have you reviewed the photos of the rock? It is not a normal place to "plant" a rock. The rock clearly knocked over the bag and came to a rest where it was photographed.