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The Official UK Election Thread! 6th May it is!

Darat said:
No it isn't. Job Seeker's allowance is paid to the unemployed who have made sufficient NI contributions and are actively seeking work and it is only paid for 182 days.
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My flatmates been on it far longer than that.
 
Yes, the rules for JSA are more complicated than they used to be, and they used to be very complicated. When I was unemployed for a long time, if you had made enough NI contributions, you could claim Unemployment Benefit (and get a UB40) for six months, after which you went on to Income Support (although still claiming using the same UB40), which was substantially less money. I think when they brought JSA in, it stayed the same, but both levels of support were called JSA.
 
Just to complicate things, it turns out there are two forms of JSA.

Jobseeker's Allowance (Contribution based)

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You may qualify for Jobseeker's Allowance (Contribution based) if you are unemployed, have paid enough National Insurance Contributions and are available for and actively seeking work.​
It is payable for up to 182 days. No additional benefit is payable for dependants.

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Jobseeker's Allowance (Income based)

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Jobseeker's Allowance (Income based) is income related. You may qualify for Jobseeker's Allowance (Income Based) if you are unemployed, available for and actively seeking work but have not paid enough National Insurance Contributions to receive Jobseeker's Allowance (Contribution based).​
The rates payable depend on your circumstances.​
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The Income based JSA is payable all the time. It does not stop after 182 days.

As for the specific Tory plan, well, if they guarantee that any claimant will be offered some form of government work commensurate with their skills before being cut off from benefits, then I don't see it being too bad a thing at all.
 
martu said:
They are the good guys :D I have no idea what you mean regarding principles, what principles should they adhere to? What principles do the other parties (important parties not the joke parties) adhere to these days? Labour is pro banking and the Conservatives pro change, madness.
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And the LibDems are pro being seen as the nice guys and slagging off any parties that threaten them. They'll be pro anything and anti anything that suits them, to this end.

Anecdote. Yesterday evening I was at an SNP meeting. I didn't raise the subject, I assure you. One council member began to explain what he saw as standard LibDem behaviour. "You see, if you have 3 LibDems on a committee, one will vote for and one against and one abstain. If the decision turns out to be popular, they'll wheel out the one that voted that way, to say how strongly the LibDems supported that position. If it's unpopular, they'll wheel out the one that supported the opposite position, ditto. And if it's all very unclear, they'll wheel out the one who abstained to say how we need to start again with a clean sheet. Never a mention of the other guys or how they voted."

When I lived in England, I mostly lived under a LibDem council. I even voted for them a couple of times. However, again I started to notice the pattern of behaviour. Promise anything, to gain popularity, then renege on it once in a position to do something. Take credit for anything that's popular, but wriggle out of responsibility for anything unpopular. Spin anything in a way that makes their opponents look bad, irrespective of the actual facts.

Meh.

Rolfe.
 
Uzzy said:
Just to complicate things, it turns out there are two forms of JSA.



The Income based JSA is payable all the time. It does not stop after 182 days.

As for the specific Tory plan, well, if they guarantee that any claimant will be offered some form of government work commensurate with their skills before being cut off from benefits, then I don't see it being too bad a thing at all.
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Thanks (and to the others) I didn't know it was also paid to other folk.
 
Rolfe said:
And the LibDems are pro being seen as the nice guys and slagging off any parties that threaten them. They'll be pro anything and anti anything that suits them, to this end.

Anecdote. Yesterday evening I was at an SNP meeting. I didn't raise the subject, I assure you. One council member began to explain what he saw as standard LibDem behaviour. "You see, if you have 3 LibDems on a committee, one will vote for and one against and one abstain. If the decision turns out to be popular, they'll wheel out the one that voted that way, to say how strongly the LibDems supported that position. If it's unpopular, they'll wheel out the one that supported the opposite position, ditto. And if it's all very unclear, they'll wheel out the one who abstained to say how we need to start again with a clean sheet. Never a mention of the other guys or how they voted."

When I lived in England, I mostly lived under a LibDem council. I even voted for them a couple of times. However, again I started to notice the pattern of behaviour. Promise anything, to gain popularity, then renege on it once in a position to do something. Take credit for anything that's popular, but wriggle out of responsibility for anything unpopular. Spin anything in a way that makes their opponents look bad, irrespective of the actual facts.

Meh.

Rolfe.
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I can't argue with your anecdotes.
 
Rolfe said:
And the LibDems are pro being seen as the nice guys and slagging off any parties that threaten them. They'll be pro anything and anti anything that suits them, to this end.

Anecdote. Yesterday evening I was at an SNP meeting. I didn't raise the subject, I assure you. One council member began to explain what he saw as standard LibDem behaviour. "You see, if you have 3 LibDems on a committee, one will vote for and one against and one abstain. If the decision turns out to be popular, they'll wheel out the one that voted that way, to say how strongly the LibDems supported that position. If it's unpopular, they'll wheel out the one that supported the opposite position, ditto. And if it's all very unclear, they'll wheel out the one who abstained to say how we need to start again with a clean sheet. Never a mention of the other guys or how they voted."

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Sound like they've got you SNP folks rattled.
 
martu said:
I can't argue with your anecdotes.
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Yes, it's just a series of anecdotes. You're not required to agree with me.

Undesired Walrus said:
Looks like Clegg is trying to shore up any religous people put off by his Atheism:

[URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/nick-clegg/7611480/Atheist-Nick-Clegg-discovers-religion-in-time-for-polling-day.html"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/nick-clegg/7611480/Atheist-Nick-Clegg-discovers-religion-in-time-for-polling-day.html[/URL]
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Ouch, there's another one.

Rolfe.
 
Darat said:
Sound like they've got you SNP folks rattled.
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Oh, the constituency is far more likely to go LibDem than SNP, always was. The candidate is David Steel's daughter, for goodness sake. Not that she has a reputation for bright shining honesty, mind you.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Yes, it's just a series of anecdotes. You're not required to agree with me.

Ouch, there's another one.

Rolfe.
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I can't see a direct quote in that article that supports the Torygraph's headline actually though if this is true it will be pretty poor from Clegg.
 
martu said:
I can't see a direct quote in that article that supports the Torygraph's headline actually though if this is true it will be pretty poor from Clegg.
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He's running for a position where you have to apoint bishops of the church of england. A passing acceptence of christianity would probably come in handy.
 
While I do not have sufficient experience of the lib dems to say whether they are as Rolfe says, I do remember that they produced racist campaigne material in at least one area where the BNP were garnering support. I do not recall the other parties doing that
 
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