Moderated Iron sun with Aether batteries...

[dasmiller]

If you look at that image carefully you'll note that the brightest areas are not the loops themselves, but the photosphere. That is because the photosphere is primarily composed of neon and is most sensitive to the electrical current in terms of it's white light output. The loops are primarily heavier elements like iron and also lighter elements like carbon, but it's not as efficient at creating white light.

My understanding was that neon glows orange, not white.

Which is a rather moot, since the 'white' in that picture probably isn't the same as 'white' to the naked eye. The sun itself appears to be brilliant white to the naked eye if seen from above Earth's atmosphere, not predominantly orange as shown in the picture, so all the colors in the picture have to be viewed with some suspicion.

Is the coronal loop rising in kind of Jacob's Ladder effect, or is something else driving it?

 

[Ziggurat]

I actually had an epiphany moment when I finally realized that the photosphere was composed of a thin layer of neon, and then and only then did the SERTS data make any sense to me.

Yeah, um... no. Neon fluorescence is orange, not white. And if you're just talking about plasma blackbody radiation (which doesn't require any electric currents), well, you can get that from any plasma, neon isn't special.

 

[Toke]

Neon is a lot heavier than h and he, what is it doing at the surface?
Or are you just making stuff up?

 

[Michael Mozina]

Neon is a lot heavier than h and he, what is it doing at the surface?
Or are you just making stuff up?

[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/NeTube.jpg/200px-NeTube.jpg[/qimg]

Let's not get confused with the term "surface" in a multiple "surface" model. This is a "plasma separated" solar model as well as a "solid surface" solar model. The "surface" (solid physical surface) is covered by multiple layers of plasma that are mass separated by atomic weight, one layer on top of the other until we reach the hydrogen corona, the light element on the list.

The chromosphere is primarily helium, and the photosphere is neon. There is a much deeper layer of silicon under the photosphere and another layer of calcium plasma under the silicon layer. Each layer is more dense and cooler than the one above it.

The "surface of the photosphere" is mostly a neon substance with all the other elements running through it, most of which cools off and falls back in again. The sun is discharging from the solid surface, all the way to the heliosphere. Everything in between experiences a "discharge process" that ultimately "lights up" every single layer. The neon layer simply happens to be the most visible layer to our naked eye. If however we had satellite vision, we could (and do) see these layers, including the photosphere in white light.

 

[GeeMack]

Neon is a lot heavier than h and he, what is it doing at the surface?
Or are you just making stuff up?

According to his own standards he's, well, let's let Michael explain it in his own words, shall we?...

Since you never produced any paper to back up that claim we can only surmise that you pulled that [idea] out of your ^ss.

 

[Michael Mozina]

My understanding was that neon glows orange, not white.

That true, but there are all kinds of elements flowing through every layer. There's no layer that is universally made of a single substance.

Is the coronal loop rising in kind of Jacob's Ladder effect, or is something else driving it?

The driving force is "electricity". Birkeland created these same kinds of white light discharge loops in his atmosphere too. He also created 'jets' now seen in Hinode images and predicted high speed solar wind, the aurora, etc.

 

[Michael Mozina]

FYI, if you want a complete list of elements flowing through the layers, I suggest you checkout the SERTS data if it is still online. I found it to be incredibly helpful and very perplexing at first, particularly the neon ions that made absolutely no sense at all to me at first.

 

[Michael Mozina]

So, you can say there's data, but do you have it on hand?

Yes. Most of it is found on my website and includes links to the original material when possible.

 

[Hellbound]

Yes. Most of it is found on my website and includes links to the original material when possible.

And I'm not going to go trolling through your website looking for the needle.

It's your theory. If you want to support it, then do so.

 

[GeeMack]

[qimg]http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/NewModel.JPG[/qimg]

Let's not get confused with the term "surface" in a multiple "surface" model. This is a "plasma separated" solar model as well as a "solid surface" solar model. The "surface" (solid physical surface) is covered by multiple layers of plasma that are mass separated by atomic weight, one layer on top of the other until we reach the hydrogen corona, the light element on the list.

Mass separated by atomic weight right down to the isotope, heaviest elements deepest inside and the lightest elements to the top, with the iron on the surface of course. Oh, iron which isn't mass separated at all but exists in a rather mixed configuration like the dirt on the surface of the Earth don't ya know. In other words, whatever ball of manure Michael feels he needs to pitch into the mix this time to keep his fantasy claim alive.

Ain't that right, Michael?

Or should we go here?...

Since you never produced any paper to back up that claim we can only surmise that you pulled that [crackpot notion] out of your ^ss.

... because you know if we do that will "prove" that your iron is on the inside and not the surface. Trifling little insignificant detail, I know, but maybe some of these other good folks will enjoy you demonstrating your lack of qualifications to speak with any expertise on the subject of solar physics.

 

[Ziggurat]

That true, but there are all kinds of elements flowing through every layer.

Translation: I have no actual method of determining the composition of anything. Neon just sounded like it should be white, but since it isn't, I'll throw something else in too.

 

[Michael Mozina]

And I'm not going to go trolling through your website looking for the needle.

It's your theory. If you want to support it, then do so.

http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/TheSurfaceOfTheSun.pdf

Let me suggest you start then with the "layman's version" (unpublished version) of the idea. It's still a pretty good reference and there are links to all the data used in the process, including the SERTS data and all the images used in the original analysis.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Translation: I have no actual method of determining the composition of anything. Neon just sounded like it should be white, but since it isn't, I'll throw something else in too.

Just out of curiosity how do you explain that white light image from the LMSAL flares DVD? Notice how the photosphere at the bases of the loops is brightest thing in the image. Why? I already explained why. Can you?

 

[GeeMack]

Just out of curiosity how do you explain that white light image from the LMSAL flares DVD? Notice how the photosphere at the bases of the loops is brightest thing in the image. Why? I already explained why. Can you?
[qimg]http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/15%20April%202001%20WL.gif[/qimg]

Translation: Lookee the pretty pictures. Ooooh, bunnies!

 

[Ziggurat]

Just out of curiosity how do you explain that white light image from the LMSAL flares DVD? Notice how the photosphere at the bases of the loops is brightest thing in the image. Why? I already explained why. Can you?

What, you think the explanation has something to do with the photosphere being neon? Sorry, Michael, yet another fail. And if that's not what you're trying to argue, then this is irrelevant to my exchange with you, go bother somebody else with it.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Mass separated by atomic weight right down to the isotope,

FYI, because the solar atmosphere experiences a constant discharge process, and because the sun has a strong magnetic field, the atmospheric plasmas are constantly being separated, right down to the isotope. Because the sun's atmosphere is so dynamic and explosive however, elements and various ions flow through all the layers and everything moves and flows in a plasma atmosphere. There is however a strong tendency not only mass separate the layers, but even separation of ions within the layers. We use the EM field to separate ions here on Earth too by the way.

 

[Michael Mozina]

What, you think the explanation has something to do with the photosphere being neon?

Yep. Keep in mind that the umbra however is composed of upwelling silicon plasma from the layer below the photosphere, and that's why it doesn't "glow" in white light. That's also why the bright areas follow the contours of the penumbra, not the just the loops.

Sorry, Michael, yet another fail. And if that's not what you're trying to argue, then this is irrelevant to my exchange with you, go bother somebody else with it.

It's exactly what I'm trying to argue. The neon material and the elements in that material tend to emit white light, whereas the material in the coronal loop is hotter, but emits less visible white light.

 

[Michael Mozina]

Translation: Lookee the pretty pictures. Ooooh, bunnies!

No wonder you're so ignorant.

 

[GeeMack]

http://www.etwebsite.com/TheSurfaceOfTheSun.pdf

Let me suggest you start then with the "layman's version" (unpublished version) of the idea. It's still a pretty good reference and there are links to all the data used in the process, including the SERTS data and all the images used in the original analysis.

You do recall that we've shown you don't have the qualifications to analyze images.

 

[phunk]

Just out of curiosity how do you explain that white light image from the LMSAL flares DVD? Notice how the photosphere at the bases of the loops is brightest thing in the image. Why? I already explained why. Can you?
[qimg]http://www.thesurfaceofthesun.com/images/15%20April%202001%20WL.gif[/qimg]

Are you really claiming that is a true color image, and the 'white' in it is actual white light?