Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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That might be a totally stupid idea, but why would someone throw a stone through the window when it's more practical to break the glass when you are already on the ledge?
 
Malkmus said:
Yes, it could have. But, imo, it would seem unnatural to leave it in the bag and not place it somewhere visible on the floor.



There's a big difference between throwing a rock at a second floor window, several feet away from you and throwing a rock at a window directly in front of you. You have plenty of time to throw it from outside and get out of the way of any glass that might fall on you. I think you need to look at the photos of the room and see that to throw the rock from inside you would have to be uncomfortably close to the exploding glass. You say yourself that small shards spray backwards, and the distance is indeed short, if thrown from inside the room.



The force of the rock pushed the panel open and sent part of the glass flying inward as it opened and other parts to fall on the sill. The parts on the sill probably fell off momentarily after the shattering occurred. Had it not caused the panel to swing completely open, then I could see how the glass would have just fallen on the sill and directly below the window.




As I pointed out, the "mess" is nothing more than Filomena's clothes on the floor. Since there was no laundry hamper in her room, it's safe to say she kept her dirty laundry in a pile on the floor.
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And the reason there's no glass in the garden below? It's nigh impossible to climb into that window with glass on the sill and not knock some off into the garden - indeed, one would expect a thief to intentionally do so to clear the windowsill so as to keep from injuring himself.

The lack of glass shards in the garden is as suspicious as the lack of footprints in the garden and garden dirt in the house (at the least, Filomena's room).

Could the rock not have been thrown from inside, break the window, hit the shutter and bounce back into the room, landing in/on the bag?

Does it truly matter if Filomena was/is a slob or not? Filomena leaving her clothes on the floor does not preclude the break-in being staged.

ANNNNND, Finally, Could Amanda or Raffaele have thrown the rock from outside after Meredith was murdered?
 
Presumably whether or not Filomena's room was as she left it (aside from the broken window and the rock of course) came up in her questioning and if it was of any importance to either side came up in her testimony. If demonstrating that the room wasn't ransacked is important to the FOA mission to clear Amanda's name then they should produce a statement from Filomena where she affirms this. Clearly if it was thought to be important by FOA they could produce this via the same route by which they acquired Amanda's 1:45am statement. Either the whole issue is not important enough to be bothered with, or she doesn't say anything helpful to demonstrating that the room wasn't trashed.
 
Moss said:
That might be a totally stupid idea, but why would someone throw a stone through the window when it's more practical to break the glass when you are already on the ledge?
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The usual explanation is that Rudy wanted to see if anybody was in so he could burgle the place, so he lobbed a rock through the window to see.
 
shuttlt said:
The usual explanation is that Rudy wanted to see if anybody was in so he could burgle the place, so he lobbed a rock through the window to see.
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Since he knew the girls (or at least one of them - Amanda), wouldn't it have been more prudent to, I don't know..., knock on the front door/ring the doorbell?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Since he knew the girls (or at least one of them - Amanda), wouldn't it have been more prudent to, I don't know..., knock on the front door/ring the doorbell?
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That occurred to me too. I'm not aware of a standard answer to it. Doubtless some explanation can be thought of. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything, but I'm sure a few scenarios exist.
 
shuttlt said:
The usual explanation is that Rudy wanted to see if anybody was in so he could burgle the place, so he lobbed a rock through the window to see.
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What if someone was home? They look out a window, see you, maybe get a description, call the police. Not a very good plan.
 
shuttlt said:
That occurred to me too. I'm not aware of a standard answer to it. Doubtless some explanation can be thought of. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything, but I'm sure a few scenarios exist.
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Something along the lines of:

"Rudy and Amanda didn't know each other"
 
shuttlt said:
But they did, didn't they? He certainly knew Amanda - "Hi, I'm Amanda's friend Rudy, is she in? No? Ok, sorry to have bothered you".
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Or (controversially):

"Hi, I'm Amanda's friend Rudy, is she in?"

"Hey Amanda, wanna get high?"


ETA: Oops, I forgot...Amanda was at Raffaele's all night (well, that's what she seems to remember - at least some of the time, that is...)
 
Moss said:
Thanks for the pictures Bruce. But judging from them I have a hard time picturing the postulated "Rudy break-in". I think it's very difficult, maybe even impossible, to open the latch on the window while crouching on the ledge. At least with the remaining glass in the position it is in. If you are on the ledge you basically have to crouch down and then move your arm through the opening and then turn your forearm back up to reach the latch. And that while standing in the remaining glass on that side.
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This whole business of scaling the outside wall, lifting oneself in through a recently broken window, and leaving absolutely no evidence of having done so is (a) easily testable and (b) ridiculous to contemplate.

If anyone has a window sill like that on their own home, and you're in good shape or know someone who is, you can try it yourself. Scatter some Scrabble tiles or something like that on the sill to represent the glass.

Now try to both lift yourself up *and* leave the tiles undisturbed. And you cannot leave any trace of shoe marks or anything else on the wall outside. If you don't have a window, try a portion of a roof without eaves.

I don't often use the term 'impossible' but this fits as close as almost anything.

The worst part about it is that there are several easier entry points to the upper floor of the cottage and they don't require bowling techniques or magnificent climbing feats. And RG knew about all of them since he was acquainted with the boys downstairs.

I don't know why we bother indulging fantasies here.
 
Ducky said:
We back to the bras yet?
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You missed the Kitchen Drawer Of Horrors. Now we're impugning the integrity of one of Amanda's other housemates, one that she didn't murder.

I think the bras will be back in about ten more pages.
 
Moss said:
That might be a totally stupid idea, but why would someone throw a stone through the window when it's more practical to break the glass when you are already on the ledge?
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Someone posited that about a hundred pages ago, I think. In this scenario, of course, the climber performed his feats while burdened with a 4 kg stone.
 
stilicho said:
Someone posited that about a hundred pages ago, I think. In this scenario, of course, the climber performed his feats while burdened with a 4 kg stone.
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Maybe he breaks the window with his elbow and then climbs down to get the stone. :)
 
stilicho said:
This whole business of scaling the outside wall, lifting oneself in through a recently broken window, and leaving absolutely no evidence of having done so is (a) easily testable and (b) ridiculous to contemplate.

If anyone has a window sill like that on their own home, and you're in good shape or know someone who is, you can try it yourself. Scatter some Scrabble tiles or something like that on the sill to represent the glass.

Now try to both lift yourself up *and* leave the tiles undisturbed. And you cannot leave any trace of shoe marks or anything else on the wall outside. If you don't have a window, try a portion of a roof without eaves.

I don't often use the term 'impossible' but this fits as close as almost anything.

The worst part about it is that there are several easier entry points to the upper floor of the cottage and they don't require bowling techniques or magnificent climbing feats. And RG knew about all of them since he was acquainted with the boys downstairs.

I don't know why we bother indulging fantasies here.
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These are not fantasies. You cannot just brush them aside because they don't fit into your beliefs.

The prosecution stated that the room was ransacked and then the window was broken. This left glass on top of the clothes.

The photographs I presented completely refute this allegation. The entire theory for the staged break is fully discredited in those photographs.

The clothing was on the floor to begin with. Anyone that looks at that armoire in the photographs can see that the clothes pile on the floor was not pulled out of that armoire. The clothes were there to begin with.

The room is clearly messy, not ransacked.

The brick wall is a very porous surface. CLimbing that wall without leaving any noticeable marks is not unremarkable.

I also believe that the dusty areas on the clothes that I pointed out are from the shoes of Rudy Guede. I believe that dust came from that wall.

We will never know for sure because the investigators didn't properly investigate.

What we do know is that the explanation the prosecution gave for alleging a staged break in simply is not true.

This is not a fantasy. This is the basic truth. Try not to complicate things too much. Take a step back and look one more time. You just might see something that you have refused to see for all this time. You may start to see the truth.
 
Bruce,

Do you have access to any of Filomena's statements to the police or her trial testimony to establish whether her room had been messed with? The only way to establish this with certainty is with a quote from her.
 
stilicho said:
You missed the Kitchen Drawer Of Horrors. Now we're impugning the integrity of one of Amanda's other housemates, one that she didn't murder.

I think the bras will be back in about ten more pages.
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There is a lot being made out of the photo of Raffaele's kitchen drawer. I use the photo on my site to show readers where the knife was found. I do not see how that photo somehow brings new credibility to an extremely weak piece of evidence.

Once again, there is no need to complicate things. The facts about the knife are very clear. The knife retrieved from Raffaele's kitchen had absolutely nothing to do with the murder of Meredith Kercher.



http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/TheKnife.html
 
shuttlt said:
Bruce,

Do you have access to any of Filomena's statements to the police or her trial testimony to establish whether her room had been messed with? The only way to establish this with certainty is with a quote from her.
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I have to disagree with your statement. Look at the room. Look at the night stand, look at the table, look at the dirty clothes and try and find a way to put them back into the armoire. Try and find a way that those clothes were pulled out of that armoire in the first place.

The photos clearly show that the prosecution's reasoning to allege a staged break in is simply wrong.

With your reasoning, why don't we just ask Amanda if she murdered Meredith? Is that the only way to really know?
 
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