The Freeman Movement and England

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Now, that I get to post links....

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This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website. I AGREE

Check out the documents this guy produced and got rubber stamped by the govt.

BTW, I'm done arguing here. I will only post some good stuff... occasionally....
just so you guys don't get bored. :)
 
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tobjai said:
Now, that I get to post links....

This one is pretty good!

Check out the documents this guy produced and got rubber stamped by the govt.

BTW, I'm done arguing here. I will only post some good stuff here... occasionally....
just so you guys don't get bored. :)
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I will not waste time watching youtube rubbish if you aren't willing to at least try to defend it. Any child can cut and paste; if you do not intend to discuss your links, I will simply report them all as spam, because that's all it is.
 
remirol said:
I will not waste time watching youtube rubbish if you aren't willing to at least try to defend it. Any child can cut and paste; if you do not intend to discuss your links, I will simply report them all as spam, because that's all it is.
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Why should I waste my time, when there is no way of reasoning with your kind. All that seems to resonate here is redicule and "cocksure proof".

Nobody forces you to watch it. You be your own master and chose whatever information you please to round off your picture of the world.

Now go and learn about spam, before wanting to report what you think it is.
 
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Ok, watched it. Completely free of any valid legal arguments, just a lot of rambling about the Bible, and something about an "authenticated" document (whatever that means - we weren't shown the actual text from the registrar's office, but I suppose they basically say "yes, we have a record of this paper"). It certainly doesn't mean any official approval, and the FOTL legal wizardry was as full of crap as usual.

There was a drunk guy shouting about the Stanley Cup, but they cut him out. Too bad - he was making more sense than the other guy.
 
tobjai said:
Nobody forces you to watch it.
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That isn't the point. This is a forum for discussion, not a forum for you to spam links. If you are unwilling to discuss the content of links you post, take them back to FOTL-land, as they are nothing more than spam at that point.

If you don't like the characterisation, then I suggest both retracting your assertion that you are "done arguing", and actually attempting to defend your position while responding to others'. You skipped over most of the responses to your last two videos (that were both demonstrated conclusively to be rubbish mocked up by FOTL sympathizers and completely at odds with what actually occurred), too, so you already aren't doing a very good job of it.

If you want sane people to believe FOTL is anything other than something fabricated by known con-men (Raymond St. Clair comes to mind) in an effort to rook rubes out of their money, you've got to do more than just linkspam.
 
tobjai said:
Now, that I get to post links....

YouTube Video
This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website. I AGREE

Check out the documents this guy produced and got rubber stamped by the govt.

BTW, I'm done arguing here. I will only post some good stuff... occasionally....
just so you guys don't get bored. :)
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So, he has a document he's had notarized, and then "Authenticated" by the Ministry of Government Services. Interesting. What does it actually mean to have such a document "Authenticated"?

About Certificates of Authentication

ODS formally authenticates legalized documents requested by foreign consulates and embassies. ODS authenticates notarized or commissioned:

* birth, adoption, marriage or divorce certificates;
* property ownership documents;
* school, college, or university admission papers and transcripts;
* business, commercial import-export documents and contracts dealing with incorporation, partnerships, product standards and distribution, fiscal matters, approval certificates for customs, etc.;
* certain Ontario government official documents.

The authentication of seals, stamps and signatures by ODS validates the status of a Notary Public or Commissioner for taking Affidavits appointed in the Province of Ontario. Foreign consulates and embassies request our certificates of authentication in order to accept the validity of various documents.



The ODS mandate is to verify the document submitted by comparing the signature and seal/stamp (as applicable) on the document against the information on file pertaining to the Notary Public or Commissioner for taking Affidavits. ODS does not validate the contents of any document.



ODS staff must be able to visually inspect all the relevant information on the notarized/commissioned document in its entirety in order to continue the authentication process.



Authentication will only proceed if:

* all parts of the signature, seal and/or stamp of the Notary Public or Commissioner
for taking Affidavits are visible on the same page of the document; and
* the Notary Public or Commissioner for taking Affidavits is registered on file with ODS; and
* the name, seal and/or stamp is identical to that on file at ODS.
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http://www.mgs.gov.on.ca/en/OffDoc/STEL02_046905.html


Let's Emphasize one important paragraph:

The ODS mandate is to verify the document submitted by comparing the signature and seal/stamp (as applicable) on the document against the information on file pertaining to the Notary Public or Commissioner for taking Affidavits. ODS does not validate the contents of any document.
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Heck, let's emphasize one important line:

ODS does not validate the contents of any document.
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Colour me impressed. :rolleyes:
 
tobjai said:
I didn't "skip", I just don't have enough time in my day to waste it on here. And already I'm doing it again...
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Well, if you spent more time in the thread and less time watching Youtube videos designed to bilk rubes out of their money and promote con men at the expense of others' lives, you'd end up better off. Think of it as a trade -- you could accidentally learn something.

You might even get a chance to tell us how (since Mr Stephen Barry lost his case despite all the rubbish Raymond St. Clair tried to pull in the courtroom) you could consider that any sort of victory? I mean, Mr Barry is really in for it now -- all FOTL did for him was make it worse. How is that a 'win' in any way? Why should anyone want this to happen tot hem?
 
Tobaj wrote
BTW, I'm done arguing here. I will only post some good stuff... occasionally....
just so you guys don't get bored.
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The next time you post some "good stuff" will be the first.

JB
 
tobjai said:
Now, that I get to post links....

YouTube Video
This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website. I AGREE

Check out the documents this guy produced and got rubber stamped by the govt.
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Ya know what? This just may be the biggest fail yet.

You can pause that video and actually read the document (try 4:56). It certifies that a Mr. Nigel Phillip Watson is in fact a Notary Public in the province of Ontario. Who is Nigel Phillip Watson? Is that him in the video? I don't think so. I think this is Nigel Phillip Watson, Barrister and Solicitor:

http://www.nigelpwatson.com/

So. What is going on here? Obviously, the FOTL crackpot has hired Mr. Watson, in his capacity as Notary, to notarize the FOTL crackpot's "Good Faith Notice". Does this mean that FOTLer has a get out of jail free card that has been recognized and acknowledged by the Ontario government? No. Of course not. It means that Mr. Watson witnessed the FOTLer giving his oath, and notarized the resulting document. Probably cost fifty bucks or so.

Try again please.

ETA: As Horatius so correctly points out, the Ontario government's letter is doing this:

The ODS mandate is to verify the document submitted by comparing the signature and seal/stamp (as applicable) on the document against the information on file pertaining to the Notary Public or Commissioner for taking Affidavits. ODS does not validate the contents of any document.
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They readily admit that they dont even need a notary to make them legally(sorry Lawfully , what am I thinking :rolleyes:)binding???
They think that three witnesses are enough :eek:
Even other would be freemen will do

It just gets more sureal the longer you look at it.

JB
 
Yeah, but the homeless Leafs fan trolling the dude in the Bruins shirt was priceless. :D

FOTLers seem to be really big on oaths and notarizing - basically anything that gives the gloss of legitimacy to their lunacy.
 
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irrevocable estoppel by aquiescence
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That one makes me cringe everytime they use it:covereyes

They also write "Without Prejudice" on all the documents they expect to rely on in court
Priceless
JB
 
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Ya gotta love this - 20 minutes from when he posted that video to when I completely busted it, and then nothing else from him....I guess the cognitive dissonance takes a while to settle down.
 
the hippie dude in the video says "let the paper work", well at least something is working, cause as far as i can tell most freeman are living on state benefits.
 
Toke said:
They do slip now and then, I recall one about using the free internet at the library. :D
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I am the public relations manager for our public library, and I have set autocorrect on my work computer to substitute "public" for "pubic." I figure if I ever actually need to type "pubic" I can go back and override.
 
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