Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Bruce Fisher said:
I actually show two places where Rudy stepped on the clothes. When he does so, he leaves dust from the outside wall on the clothes.
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What's your evidence that the dust came from the outside wall? It did not. There are no scrapes on the outside wall...the whole wall was examined. The source for the dust is the rock.
 
[qyote="Bruce Fisher"]Please look at the photographs on my site. they are much better quality that the photo posted here. The glass was on one side of the ledge. Rudy had a history of climbing in windows.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this is a completely false claim. What you have is a defence and an FOA 'accusing' Rudy of having a history of climbing into windows. On the basis of the accusations you claim it as established fact. It is not. He has no criminal record. That's why he got a reduction for mitigation...that IS a fact.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
There is actually far less glass on the window sill than everybody always talks about. It is one of those things, if you say it enough, it becomes the truth.

Please look at the photographs on my site. they are much better quality that the photo posted here.
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The photo I posted is perfectly clear, we can see the glass, what's unclear about it?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Well, Filomena would disagree with you Bruce, unless she is a liar? Did she throw her compter on the floor too...the one she had to pick up and shake all the glass off?

So is this to be the new line....'Well yes, room was ransacked before the window was broken but Filomena was the culprit'?
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You can try if you like to spin what I'm saying but it simply will not work. I never accuse Filomena of anything. She did not ransack her room on November 2. The room was already a mess. Take the time to look at the photographs on my site. Please look at the table and the nightstand. These are not signs of a ransacked room. This is just clutter. Look at the armoire. It hasn't been emptied out onto the floor. There are still clothes in it. The pile of clothing was on the floor from the start. There are white dusty shoe prints on the clothing. Did the investigators ever think to examine this? Were any tests done to determine who stepped on the clothes?

Don't complicate things that are simple. Look at the room and tell me what part of the room that you think was ransacked.

As far as Filomena's computer being on the floor, who knows, she left things laying all over the place.

One computer on the floor hardly tell me that the room was ransacked.

With everything that is repeatedly discussed about this window, where exactly is the proof that Amanda or Raffaele had anything to do with the broken window? Can anyone provide any proof whatsoever that Amanda or Raffaele broke that window?
 
Fulcanelli, you might want to stop defending Rudy. There is some very interesting information that will be coming out of Italy in the coming weeks that doesn't look to good for him. I am amazed that Rudy is protected by the guilters. I am still trying to figure that one out. Rudy didn't have an "official" record but he committed many offenses. You will find out shortly why he most likely didn't have a record.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
There is actually not as much glass on the ledge as we are all led to believe. Put gloves and a coat on Rudy and all of your questions are answered.
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And where's the evidence for these gloves and coat? Is that why he 'left fingerprints everywhere' as you people are fond of saying? And how did he make that climb wearing gloves...gloves are not really known for their 'grip', they also fatten the fingers and makes the hands clumsy and a coat makes someone fatter...rendering it even more inexplicable that there is no glass fallen down outside.

And then, how come Rudy didn't transport and drop micro traces of glass in the large bathroom he used, or Meredith's room or Laura's room that was entered?

Also, the standard line form the FOA has always been along the lines that Rudy was simply opportunistic, having gone to see the boys below and found they were gone and then decided to break into the cottage. Your claim of thick coat and gloves changes that and essentially argues he left his apartment with the specific intention of robbing or attacking someone? Is that right? And if that's the case, why the home of four girls, two of which were students and the other two were trainee lawyers...hardly rich pickings. Were their not better places in the whole of Perugia?
 
Bruce Fisher said:
There is actually far less glass on the window sill than everybody always talks about. It is one of those things, if you say it enough, it becomes the truth.

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While were ate it, let's look at the photographs showing all of that glass on the top of the clothes.

If anyone has the photographs mentioned above, please post them.
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You should talk to Charlie Wilkes. All those gigabytes of Spheron-VR images he's got should show every inch of the entire apartment.

Bruce Fisher said:
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The truth is, we will never know exactly what happened.
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Check with lane99 on that. We have it on good authority (:rolleyes:) that without a complete, airtight "scenario" no conviction can be made.

With all of the conversation regarding the window, has anyone ever noticed that there is not one piece of evidence that can possibly be discussed that proves that Amanda or Raffaele has anything whatsoever to do with that broken window?
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What have you got that proves that Rudy did?
 
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Bruce,

Do you have any quotes to support your claim the, asside from the glass and footprints, the room is as Fillomina left it? I'm going to go away and see what I can come up with, but I think you have access to a little more information than I do.

Also, you hint at information coming out on Rudy. If you know what it is, what is it? It really bothers me all this sitting on information.
 
{quote="Fisher"]Please take a look at the photographs on my site. I never said that Filomena trashed her own room. I said that the room was a mess to begin with. Filomena wasn't that tidy.[/quote]

What's your evidence for that?

Fisher said:
If you look at the armoire from another angle, you will see that it still has clothing in it. The clothes on the floor were not pulled out off the armoire. They were on the floor the entire time. I show how that these clothes were stepped on when Rudy entered the room.
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The armoire still has clothes in it...that it, that's your evidence? Isn't the more simple answer that Amanda and Raffaele didn't pull all the clothes out, only some?
 
Fulcanelli said:
What's your evidence that the dust came from the outside wall? It did not. There are no scrapes on the outside wall...the whole wall was examined. The source for the dust is the rock.
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I know it will give you the shakes to actually look at my site but if you will just take a few minutes and look at the photographs that I posted you will clearly see that the dust I am talking about did not come from the rock. The clothing was stepped on. We will never know for sure where that dust came from because the room was not properly investigated.

I honestly don't think that the brick wall would show visible signs of being scuffed up from climbing. It is a rough surface that would easily shed some dust without any noticeable changes to its general appearance.

With all of this window talk, where is the proof that Amanda and Raffaele had anything to do with this broken window?

I would post my photos directly on this site but I don't want to be accused of spamming again. I know you get a bit defensive when people disagree with you.
 
Fisher said:
With everything that is repeatedly discussed about this window, where exactly is the proof that Amanda or Raffaele had anything to do with the broken window? Can anyone provide any proof whatsoever that Amanda or Raffaele broke that window?
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We can prove that Rudy didn't. We can prove both Raffaele and Amanda were both there. That's enough.
 
Fisher said:
I know it will give you the shakes to actually look at my site but if you will just take a few minutes and look at the photographs that I posted you will clearly see that the dust I am talking about did not come from the rock. The clothing was stepped on. We will never know for sure where that dust came from because the room was not properly investigated.
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Please support that claim.
 
Bruce, how about posting links to the pictures you mean. As for posting them directly to the site, I think the only real objection would be copyright, which presumably doesn't apply here.
 
Fulcanelli said:
{quote="Fisher"]Please take a look at the photographs on my site. I never said that Filomena trashed her own room. I said that the room was a mess to begin with. Filomena wasn't that tidy.
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What's your evidence for that?



The armoire still has clothes in it...that it, that's your evidence? Isn't the more simple answer that Amanda and Raffaele didn't pull all the clothes out, only some?[/QUOTE]

Please look at the photographs. Tell me after you observe the photographs that you honestly believe that anyone pulled those clothes out of that armoire. There are still clothes sitting in the shelf. All of the clothes on hangers are still hung up.

Notice that the top shelf has blankets on it. Did Filomena have all of that clothing shoved up there on the shelf with her blankets?

Look at the pile of clothes and tell me exactly where they were pulled out of.

The clothing was on the floor the entire time. Take a step back and look at the room again. Its a lot to take in. Everyone has had the same belief for a long time. It will take a few moments to see that maybe you were wrong. Please take the time to look closer at this case.

2 innocent lives are being destroyed. When you look closer at the details, this becomes very clear.

I am not here to argue with anyone. I just want people to try and open up their minds to the possibility that things might have gone differently that you think they did.
 
Falcanelli,

Are you aware of any quotes from Filomina about the state of her room? The only even slightly relevant quote I've been able to find in the few minutes I've put into looking is her saying "Amanda never cleaned the house, we had to institute a rota".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569579/Vital-clues-in-Meredith-Kercher-murder-case.html

It would be a bit much for somebody who left her room in that kind of state to be complaining about other people, but perhaps she did.
 
Fulcanelli said:
We can prove that Rudy didn't. We can prove both Raffaele and Amanda were both there. That's enough.
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You cannot do either of these things. You can't prove Rudy didn't do it and you certainly can't claim that Amanda or Raffaele were there.

Please be realistic. I know you have your beliefs and you refuse to ever see the other side but please don't make blanket statements that simply are not true.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
shuttlt, I posted the link and I was accused of spamming. You are asking me for the link so I will post it. I hope that I don't upset Michael.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/window.html
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Thanks, I really don't think posting a couple of pictures counts as spamming though if they illustrate an argument. My view is that where possible we should try to keep the thread self contained so people don't have to keep going out and trawling other websites to locate the content we are discussing. Post away.
 
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