Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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not serrated

shuttlt said:
I can't make out the end of the knife with certainty. It looks to me as if it's got a blunt end, though I might be wrong. I assume forensics can tell the difference between a wound inflicted be a coursely serrated knife like a breadknife and, say a flick knife, but I could be wrong.
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Do you believe that Raffaele had only one kitchen knife that was not serrated?
 
halides1 said:
Fiona said:
Shame that Amanda Knox said she went of her own volition, in court. You have been told this before and the testimony has been linked. Why do you persist with this ?

But once again, wearily: from her court appearance


Did Dr. Giobbi call them in?
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Why is this important? They showed up at the police station not because they were walking by and decided to stop in and say "hello".

The cops wanted further data from them and so they went by (what other explanation do you have for their trip to questura?) The cops did not haul them in a jail van (although they left the next day in one) if that's what you want to suggest.

Amanda felt confident enough at the time to do cartwheels (requested, according to Chris Mellas by a visiting cop from another town ... ) and homework.

She calls that voluntary. Okay.
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Looks that way from the photograph: though I admit I cannot see it very clearly. Are there other kitchen knives in there?
 
Kermit said:
halides1 said:
Why is this important? They showed up at the police station not because they were walking by and decided to stop in and say "hello".

The cops had asked them to come by and they did (what other explanation do you have for their trip to questura? The cops did not haul them in a jail van (although they left the next day in one).

Amanda felt confident enough at the time to do cartwheels (requested, according to Chris Mellas by a visiting cop from another town ... ) and homework.

She calls that voluntary. Okay.
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I do not agree, Kermit. She has said quite clearly, and more than once, in court, that she was not asked to go to the questura that day: RS was asked to go and she went with him. Since it would actually be in keeping with her story of duress and coercion it would actually fit better if she had been called in: but she did not say that
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halides1 said:
Do you believe that Raffaele had only one kitchen knife that was not serrated?
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Take a look at the image of his utensils drawer. With the Double DNA Knife gone (and any other utensil whose withdrawal isn't known about), there's no object in that drawer (no, not the serrated bread knife) that can make a puncture wound.
 
Fiona said:
I do not agree, Kermit. She has said quite clearly, and more than once, in court, that she was not asked to go to the questura that day: RS was asked to go and she went with him. Since it would actually be in keeping with her story of duress and coercion it would actually fit better if she had been called in: but she did not say that
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We don't disagree. My point was that the cops didn't "haul them in".

Your point is that the person who was asked to go in specifically was Raffaele. That's fine by me.
 
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bleach receipts?

Moss said:
Did they lie or were they wrong in their analysis?
This is important because:
To actually "lie" they would have to know the person in the CCTV wasn't Amanda.
If they really thought it was Amanda and therefore confronted here with that, they were wrong, not lying.
And for the police correcting the possibly misleading impression by the press: I asked you to consider it before, is that their job or is it the job of the press to get the story straight?
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Who is responsible for the misinformation about the bleach receipt?

"Police said that further evidence against Mr Sollecito had come to light in the form of receipts from a shop near his flat for bleach, bought on the morning after the murder and allegedly used to clean an 8in kitchen knife and Mr Sollecito’s Nike trainers. The first receipt was timed at 8.30am on November 2, and the second 45 minutes later, suggesting that the first container of bleach had not been sufficient. The bleach was also used to clean up the flat itself."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2894139.ece
 
Halides1, would you mind actually dealing with one point before moving on to the next? Do you accept that Amanda went to the questura of her own decision? Do you accept that there are no other kitchen knives in that drawer? Can we either agree on those points or will you say why we cannot?
 
halides1 said:
Who is responsible for the misinformation about the bleach receipt?
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And now we're on to bleach receipts (again).

Don't these guys like to conclude (or even hold) a discussion after throwing an issue into the debate?

I feel like they're launching clay pigeons, waiting, just waiting for us to miss one, so they can claim victory.
 
halides1 said:
Did Dr. Giobbi lie about this?
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Why don't you just read the part of the thread where this was discussed last time around ?

Around post # 2397 and thereafter. Do you never get tired of raising the same things?
 
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Kermit said:
I feel like they're launching clay pigeons, waiting, just waiting for us to miss one, so they can claim victory.
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I feel like I'm in a batting cage with an out-of-control pitching machine. In the immortal words of Amanda Knox: "wtf"?
 
serrations?

shuttlt said:
I can't make out the end of the knife with certainty. It looks to me as if it's got a blunt end, though I might be wrong. I assume forensics can tell the difference between a wound inflicted be a coursely serrated knife like a breadknife and, say a flick knife, but I could be wrong.
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shuttIt,

I cannot see any serrations or see what looks like a blunt end. How certain are you of either of these things?
 
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halides1 said:
shuttIt,

I cannot see any serrations or see what looks like a blunt end. How certain are you of either of these things?
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The serrations:


As for the shape of the blade, I am a lot less sure. The best I can do is this:

The red line is, I think, the line of the back of the blade, while the green line indicates what the back of the blade would have to do to end in a sharp point.

Really Kermit should be doing this.
 
halides1 said:
shuttIt,

I cannot see any serrations or see what looks like a blunt end. How certain are you of either of these things?
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Are you serious? I mean. Honestly. You're seriously claiming you cannot see the serrations of the bread knife?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Are you serious? I mean. Honestly. You're seriously claiming you cannot see the serrations of the bread knife?
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How do we know that one of the spoons isn't sharpened to a point? I would like to see a Photoshop demonstration for that too. We must eliminate all possible alternatives before accepting that the double-DNA knife was the only candidate for testing from the "Drawer Of Hostile Cutlery".
 
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