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Teabagging Governor of Virgina Reinstates Racist Policy

Dragoonster said:
I've got no problem with it. Like it or not it's part of Southern heritage.
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I think THAT is nothing but an apology! There are ALL kinds of things that are "part" of our heritage, and we should not ignore or cover up the bad parts. But if we are decent people we shouldn't GLORY in them like the southern red necks waving the rebel flag.
 
Region Rat said:
It seems to me that some people sure enjoy any opportunity to put "Teabagger" or "Teabagging" in their posts. I can almost hear Beavis going "huh, huh, huh, huh" in the background.

Now back to the discussion regarding how Republicans are all for slavery. We're all agreed, right?
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Teabaggers gave themselves the name, and I think it fits so well I'm keeping it. Of course, when Teabaggers stop calling Obama a member of the "Democrat Party" or a "socialist" or a "muslim" or a guy who "hates white people", I'll start listening to Teabaggers lecture me on the virtues of civil discourse.
 
So when do people think that they will be talking up the bravery of the Wehrmacht? Why do people always focus so much on the negative things and not the positive things with that period in German history?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So when do people think that they will be talking up the bravery of the Wehrmacht? Why do people always focus so much on the negative things and not the positive things with that period in German history?
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*chuckles*

Such thoughts do indeed enter my mind whenever someone glorifies the South.
 
Redtail said:
I've never had much of a problem with that, (well, other than my abject horror at finding out that despite being North Carolina we were still part of the Confederacy but I was 5 or 6 then and I got over it) it's the Lost Cause stuff that I can't stand.
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Exactly.

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Dragoonster said:
I've got no problem with it. Like it or not it's part of Southern heritage.
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Did you miss the Wiki page linked earlier describing what "Confederate History Month" actually is?

Actually, looking at the Wiki page it seems that some folks have gone in and edited the inconvenient (openly racist) information out of the page. No worries, though, since I have the first paragraph of the page before the edits saved:
Confederate History Month is a month annually designated by several state governments in the Southern United States for the purpose of recognizing and honoring the history of the Confederate States of America. The month is especially designed to celebrate what Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens famously described as a "new government . . . founded upon exactly the opposite idea [from that of the United States in 1776]; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." April has traditionally been chosen, as Confederate Memorial Day falls during that month in many of these states.
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Redtail said:
I've never had much of a problem with that, (well, other than my abject horror at finding out that despite being North Carolina we were still part of the Confederacy but I was 5 or 6 then and I got over it) it's the Lost Cause stuff that I can't stand.
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There is quite a lot of paying homage to a romanticized version of history, selectively recalled, that certainly get the eyes a rolling, yes ... since "lost" all of a sudden morphs into "noble" and it runs from there.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
There is quite a lot of paying homage to a romanticized version of history, selectively recalled, that certainly get the eyes a rolling, yes ... since "lost" all of a sudden morphs into "noble" and it runs from there.

DR
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Yeah. When I finally got around to seeing "Gone With The Wind" I was so sick of this romanticism that I felt a new appreciation for General Sherman.

I mean, what is so great about snobbery and elitism?
 
Suddenly said:
I was so sick of this romanticism that I felt a new appreciation for General Sherman.
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As a boy I was always a fan of the Union, since my brother usually played the Confederacy in the board games we played (such as Gettysburg, by Avalon Hill) and such. I always appreciated Sherman. When I studied his life and achievements at staff college, I began to appreciate him even more. A remarkable man.
I mean, what is so great about snobbery and elitism?
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You get to do the Ducky with Vivien Leigh.

DR






(If you aren't sure what "do the Ducky" implies, PM me, it rhymes with super)
 
GreNME said:
Did you miss the Wiki page linked earlier describing what "Confederate History Month" actually is?

Actually, looking at the Wiki page it seems that some folks have gone in and edited the inconvenient (openly racist) information out of the page. No worries, though, since I have the first paragraph of the page before the edits saved:
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Confederate History Month is a month annually designated by several state governments in the Southern United States for the purpose of recognizing and honoring the history of the Confederate States of America. The month is especially designed to celebrate what Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens famously described as a "new government . . . founded upon exactly the opposite idea [from that of the United States in 1776]; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." April has traditionally been chosen, as Confederate Memorial Day falls during that month in many of these states.
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Who did wiki attribute this to? Did the Governor of Virginia say it, or did some random wiki editor write this?

In any event I don't have a problem with people offended by this. The Civil War was about slavery, as was the Confederacy. I just don't think this alone is enough to criticize people who want to celebrate it, many for different reasons. I don't really agree with that Stephens quote either. The opposite of 1776?

--Enslaved black people-check
--No vote to black people, women, native americans-check
--Active warring on a native populace in order to expand territory-check

If someone has a problem with Confederate History Month, I'd hope they'd also have a problem with Independence Day, and are lobbying instead for a replacement national holiday on Emancipation Proclamation Day, or Amendment XIX Day. Guess I'm just wondering why the PC line has been drawn at the Confederacy and not also pre-Emancipation US, or pre-women suffrage US.
 
Unabogie said:
Teabaggers gave themselves the name, and I think it fits so well I'm keeping it. Of course, when Teabaggers stop calling Obama a member of the "Democrat Party" or a "socialist" or a "muslim" or a guy who "hates white people", I'll start listening to Teabaggers lecture me on the virtues of civil discourse.
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Yes, lets make sure we all stay at a 2nd grade level. After all, if they do it, why shouldn't you?
 
Region Rat said:
Yes, lets make sure we all stay at a 2nd grade level. After all, if they do it, why shouldn't you?
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I told you. If you think a bunch of overweight, disability check receiving, uninformed racists hanging around with Orange Pekoe on their hats calling me a "socialist" deserve my respect and civility, you're frankly mistaken. They deserve harsh mockery and they're getting it.

What, you think if I ask nicely, they'll put away their "open carry" sidearm and listen to policy wonkery?
 
Dragoonster said:
If someone has a problem with Confederate History Month, I'd hope they'd also have a problem with Independence Day, and are lobbying instead for a replacement national holiday on Emancipation Proclamation Day, or Amendment XIX Day. Guess I'm just wondering why the PC line has been drawn at the Confederacy and not also pre-Emancipation US, or pre-women suffrage US.
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And they were noble heroes keeping blacks in their proper place as property. That is what should be remembered about them, and celebrated.

See the slight difference? The civil war was about slavery primarily, the revolutionary war was not about slavery. They might have owned slaves but were not fighting to preserve them, they were fighting not to pay their taxes.

I still want to know why it is right to romanticize the confederate army but not the Wehrmacht.
 
Chaos said:
*chuckles*

Such thoughts do indeed enter my mind whenever someone glorifies the South.
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An awful lot of brave German soldiers fought and died in WW II. If you feel their cause was dubious, that's fair enough, but that does not detract from their fighting ability.
 
Darth Rotor said:
An awful lot of brave German soldiers fought and died in WW II. If you feel their cause was dubious, that's fair enough, but that does not detract from their fighting ability.
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We mourn their deaths, but we do not glorify their "noble sacrifice" for the Nazi cause, or their "heroism" in massacring Jews and Slavs.
 
Darth Rotor said:
An awful lot of brave German soldiers fought and died in WW II. If you feel their cause was dubious, that's fair enough, but that does not detract from their fighting ability.
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But no one is romanticizing them like they are the south. That is the point, there are many people in the Wehrmacht that were gallant and brave as anyone in the Confederate Army, but were is the glorification of them?

Why are people so willing to gloss over the bad parts of the confederacy but no one does it to Nazi Germany?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Why are people so willing to gloss over the bad parts of the confederacy but no one does it to Nazi Germany?
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More or less because there is no German version of "Gone With The Wind."

This is in part because the major players in WWII didn't decide about a decade later to tacitly allow Germany to kill more Jews because they weren't really worth protecting and in part because outside of a few leather fetishists mint juleps and the gray uniforms are easier to romanticize than nazi uniforms and anything else aesthetic about the nazi regime...
 
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