I'm sure you can come up with a list of comedians that did Himmler impersonations. Or can't you?
The attendees surely had no reason to lie about something that would incriminate them and the organisations they served in. We sure should trust those nazis because they had absolutely nothing to gain from lying...![]()
" Odd sort of chap, Hess," I said. "It might take quite a bit to shock him. I cannot really see him talking to us just because his friend Adolf is being beastly to him. Flattery is the way to the heart of the Nazis I've always found. Make him think we take him terrifically seriously. But best of all would be to give him a shot or two of a truth drug."
" Can't use drugs," said Valentine, who had been a Guards officer in the first war. "That's not done. Not in this country!" and he glared at me, a friendly little glare, as much as to say'none of your continental ruthlessness here, my lad!' "No," he continued, "I have an idea that might do the trick." And he proceeded to outline it to me.
Valentine's war-winner was that we should print a counterfeit page of Hitler's official newspaper, the Volkischer Beobachter. It would be an exact replica of a genuine page taken from the most recent V.B. to come into our possession since Hess's arrival. Except for one item. This item-to be written by me in the best V.B. style-was to contain news that would upset Hess, and bring him over to us. The counterfeit page would then be inserted in the otherwise genuine V.B. and would be presented to Hess with his breakfast at the first opportunity. " I suggest," said Valentine, "that you work out something on the lines that Frau Ilse Hess and her son have been shut up in a Concentration Camp."
I saw difficulties ahead of us. Did we have the right newsprint for the job, and the right type, and the right rotary press? However, who was I to worry about that? I had said my say. So I sat down, and there and then worked out two drafts for Valentine. Neither, I regret, was a masterpiece. But I like to think they were at least written in true German police reporter journalese.
" The Chief State Attorney announces," said the first, "that Frau Ilse Hess, after prolonged and thorough interrogation by himself and Kommissar Dr. Braschwitz of the Political Police has made a complete confession. Frau Hess confirms that she smuggled nerve drugs, believed to be of British origin, into her husband's food. These drugs made Party Comrade Hess subjective to the hypnotic influence of British-inspired German traitors and produced the mental fog in which he flew to England. (For the Volkischer Beobachter Scotland was part of England.) Frau Hess has been transferred to Munich for confrontation with the adjutants of Party Comrade Hess and other members of this sinister ring who are now in secure custody."
For good measure, I added a second item which I suggested might be inserted in the counterfeit of a local Munich newspaper, if we had one available for copying. The local paper's news item, tucked away in an insignificant corner, would report the arrest of two women and a man who had caused a street disturbance on the evening of Sunday, May the 12th, by trying to interfere with the police, as they were arresting a woman and her small boy at a villa in Harlaching. Harlaching was the suburb of Munich where Hess resided with his wife and son. Valentine was delighted. Alas, as I feared, when it came to printing the items, we suddenly discovered that the resources of the department were not equal to the job. Nor was the S.O.i file of German personalities able to give me the name of a police official for the Munich district who would have been more suitable for the job of interviewing Frau Hess than my old Berlin antagonist, Dr. Braschwitz. I made a mental note of these deficiencies and determined to remedy them for the future at least as far as our `black' work was concerned. For a register of personalities high and low and a fount of all the current German types as well as a supply of German-made paper were going to be essentials if we were to have any success in deceiving the Germans into accepting our products. And before many months had passed I had succeeded in laying the foundations for all these things.
But on this day of May the 16th, 1941 we had to confess defeat. Ultimately the item was printed in English in a London newspaper-Hess's English being quite up to reading English newspapers. Several hundred copies had to be rolled off the rotary press in a top-secret special edition in order to get the one copy wanted for Hess. The rest were destroyed-instantly!
In due course the newspaper was served up to Hess with his breakfast. The effect? Not what we had hoped. All that happened was that Hess accepted the bit about the British having drugs which made their victims subject to suggestion. From now on he refused to eat or drink anything unless he had seen someone else taste it first.
Nope. He tells people he lives in Moscow working as a translator but he lives in Tehran. That's where his mail is sent.
Also you are wrong about his charges. It was about distribution of other peoples work.
Yup. No evidence whatsoever. Why, we pull numbers out of our ass!
Franciszek Piper, head of the Historical Research Department and author of the book How Many People Died in Auschwitz, estimates that slightly over 900,000 people were exterminated immediately after arrival, without being registered. The majority of them, almost 900,000, were Jews, the majority of whom professed Judaism. Also unregistered were some 10,000 Poles, 2,000 Roma, and 3,000 Soviet POWs; Catholicism was the religion of the majority of these unregistered non-Jews.
Did you just completely ignore the evidence I presented in favour of going off on some other tangent? Yawn.
Also, did you even read the page you linked to?
Hey, you'll have to excuse me, I must have missed that F. Piper SAID that 900,000 Jews were killed. I mean, how much more evidence do you need![]()
Hey, you'll have to excuse me, I must have missed that F. Piper SAID that 900,000 Jews were killed. I mean, how much more evidence do you need![]()
Better yet, the Nazis investigated crimes in the camp system and prosecuted the perpetrators, google Konrad Morgen Bloodhound Judge for the facts. Compare that to the ZOG administration of the prisons at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo where crime was rampant and there were NO investigations or prosecutions before the media uproar.
whose aide was disappeared while investigating Hoess?Wirth said that he had four extermination camps, and that about 5,000 Jews were working at the extermination of Jews and the seizure of Jewish property. In order to win Jews for this business of extermination and plundering of their brethren of race and creed, Wirth gave them every freedom and, so to speak, gave them a financial interest in the spoliation of the dead victims. As a result of this attitude, this extraordinary Jewish wedding had come about.
Then I asked Wirth how he killed Jews with these Jewish agents of his. Wirth described the whole procedure that went off like a film every time. The extermination camps were in the East of the Government General, in big forests or uninhabited waste lands. They were built up like a Potemkin village. The people arriving there had the impression of entering a city or a township. The train drove into what looked like a railroad station. The escorts and the train personnel then left the area. Then the cars were opened and the Jews got out. They were surrounded by these Jewish labour detachments, and Kriminalkommissar Wirth or one of his representatives made a speech. He said: "Jews, you were brought here to be resettled, but before we organize this future Jewish State, you must of course learn how to work. You must learn a new occupation. You will be taught that here. Our routine here is, first, everyone must take off his clothes so that your clothing can be disinfected and you can have a bath so that no epidemics will be brought into the camp."
After he had found such calming words for his victims, they started on the road to death. Men and women were separated. At the first place, one had to give his hat; at the next one, his coat, collar, shirt, down to his shoes and socks. These places were set up like check-rooms, and the person was given a check at each one so that the people believed that they would get their things back. The other Jews had to receive the things and hurry up the new arrivals so that they would not have time to think. The whole thing was like an assembly line. At the last stop they reached a big room, and were told that this was the bath. When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room.
As soon as death taken place in, the ventilators were started. When the air coup be breathed again, the doors were opened, and the Jewish workers removed the bodies. By means of a special process which Wirth had invented, they were burned in the open air without the use of fuel.
Better yet, the Nazis investigated crimes in the camp system and prosecuted the perpetrators, google Konrad Morgen Bloodhound Judge for the facts. Compare that to the ZOG administration of the prisons at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo where crime was rampant and there were NO investigations or prosecutions before the media uproar.
What!? Are you saying that Germans investigated THEMSELVES!? this cannot be true...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Konrad_Morgen
"It was the usual, tested procedure....A company of unarmed Ukrainian police trainees arrived who formed only a security cordon and had nothing more to do with it; while a single officer holding a small-calibre weapon waited at the end of each trench, accompanied by two or three others to charge magazines and take turns carrying out the executions, so the entire operation was carried out by only a very few police. Meanwhile the camp inmates - 6,000 Jews and 9,500 Jewesses - assembled voluntarily at the near end of the trenches. Here they handed over their personal effects - money, documents, wristwatches, and so forth - while the women and girls removed their jewelry. Husbands and wives, mothers and daughters made their farewells and waited quietly; none were mistreated before execution. When their time came, the inmates undressed and began to enter the trenches, both sexes completely naked and running one behind another in orderly, infinite lines. The men went first, into one trench, and later the nude women had their own separate trenches....All passed silently and methodically through the trenches, so the executions went very quickly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
Auschwitz II.......1,400,000
Belzec..................600,000
Chelmno...............320,000
Jasenovac.............600,000
Majdanek.............360,000
Maly Trostinets.......65,000
Sobibór................250,000
Treblinka..............870,000
Total ca. 4,4M exterminated (well according to Zionist edited Wikipedia that is)
It was an absurd spectable; one or two 'unauthorized' murders of Jews were investigated -- by a whole squad of SS legal experts -- inside the extermination camps where thousands were being murdered daily!
In Lublin and in Auschwitz he suddenly stumbled across the gas chambers and realized that he had been hunting one or two cases of murder in places where millions were being slaughtered. But how did he react to his discovery? The answer he gives today shows that he also suffered from his Reichsfuehrer's schizophrenia. There were at the time, he would have us believe, three types of murder: the officially decreed murder of Jews 'against which nothing could be done because the orders issued from the Fuehrer's Chancellery within the framework of the 'Final Solution' and were given by Hitler himself; the euthanasia killings which were equally official; finally 'arbitrary killings' of prisoners. Only against the third category of murders did he set the SS machine in motion.
So, are you absolutely sure that these numbers refer to Jews who were GASSED, or do you think they may refer to total death tolls at those camps by all methods?
E. Klee said:1. The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss. Although the accused should have recognized that the extermination of the Jews was the duty of Kommandos which were set up especially for this purpose, he should be excused for considering himself to have the authority to take part in the extermination of Jewry himself.
.But you see, these evil Germans removed every thinkable trace. That's the story now.
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You mean every trace except the transportation records of trainload after trainload who were sent to the death camps and never went anywhere again?
Oh, and testimonies of those involved.
Umm, and then there're the traces of HCN so intense as to have survived decades of exposure to the elements.
Not to mention the surviving reports from the EG detailing who many Jew were rounded up and shot.
Errr, and then there're all those mass graves being verified by the nearbytownspeople as the sites of mass murder, and all those shell casings found near...
.The fate of Anne Frank and Simone Veil speak a different language
.Yes testimonies without cross examining. Enter the court room, say your thing and leave the court room.
.Wow, the nerve! TSR is reversing the result of the work done by Leuchter and Rudolf who showed that real traces of HCN were to be found in the only gas chambers that existed, namely the fumugation rooms.
Seems a rather complete, scientific and historic demonstration of the worthlessness of Leuchter.Krakow Institute for Forensic Research said:The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years) in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved. This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers. The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the conditions arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time.
In his reasoning Leuchter claims that the vestigial amounts of cyanide combinations detected by him in the materials from the chamber ruins are residues left after fumigations carried out in the Camp "once, long ago"(Item 14.004 of the Report). This is refuted by the negative results of the examination of the control samples from living quarters, which are said to have been subjected to a single gassing, and the fact that in the period of fumigation of the Camp in connection with a typhoid epidemic in mid-1942 there were still no crematoria in the Birkenau Camp. The first crematorium (Crematorium II) was put to use as late as 15 March 1943 and the others several months later.
.EG=Einsatzgruppen I presume? TSR forgets to document his statements: links + numbers. Nobody denies the EG rounding up partisans.
Every last Jewish citizen of Kaisiadorys, including every child, was a partisan?the Jäger report said:August 26, 41 Kaisiadorys all Jews, Jewesses, Jewish children 1,911
Funny, he doesn't seem to be talking about partisans there?I can state today that the goal of solving the Jewish problem for Lithuania has been achieved by Einsatzkommando 3. In Lithuania, there are no more Jews, other than the Work Jews, including their families. They are:
In Schaulen around 4,500
In Kauen “ 15,000
In Wilna “ 15,000
I also wanted to kill these Work Jews, including their families, which however brought upon me acrimonious challenges from the civil administration (the Reichskommisar) and the army and caused the prohibition: the Work Jews and their families are not to be shot!
.I think TSR is forgetting what the topic of this thread is: the 6M figure and gas chambers. Nobody claims WW2 was a picnic.