The Almond
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This is a pretty bold claim. 115 Roentgens is equivalent to 1 Gray (Gy), and 2 Gy is the point at which some rather nasty radiological effects begin to occur. At your arbitrary "several hundreds" definition, about 50% of the people in the vicinity of GZ should have died from radiation poisoning.5) To answer all questions in regard to radiation. I state that radiation levels on the ground zero in Manhattan that were about several hundreds Roentgens per hour during the first hour.
So, a few questions:
1) What was the type of radiation being measured, and what detector was being used? You mention a geiger counter, which would indicate that you're measuring gamma radiation. You could be measuring both alpha and gamma if you don't have a plastic cover in front of the detector. But then again, Geiger counters don't output in Roentgens, they output in the arbitrary "counts" unit. It requires a radioactive standard to translate counts into one of the SI units (rads/REM/Sievert, or Grays).
2) Where were the measurements being taken? As you know, radioactive intensity varies with the square of the distance to the source.
The radiation drop off you note here is not consistent with radioactive decay of any of the "nukular bomb" type fission materials (U235 or Pu241). How do you explain this?Then they dropped to a couple of hundreds of Roentgens per hour and persisted as such for the next few hours, then they dropped to several tens of Roentgens per hour and persisted as such for a couple of days, then they dropped to several hundreds of milli-Roentgens per hour and persisted as such for a few days, then they dropped to several tens of milli-Roentgens per hour and persisted as such for a few weeks.
Were there any actual radioactive material at GZ, any person should be able to go there and measure approximately 1/4th the radiation you measured on 9/11 (I'm assuming for the sake of argument a Pu241 isotope). That would be about 0.5 Gy, which would be more than sufficient to make any Geiger counter go nuts.Now the levels further dropped but remain noticeably above the normal radiation background even up to this day. Don’t believe – take your Geiger counter and go to ground zero. And you will see what will happen. Make sure that guards who guard the ground zero will notice you carry a Geiger counter before you enter the site. Then, please, report back to this Forum what happened with you and with your Geiger counter and what kind of discussions you had with the guards.
You know it for sure, but you want us to believe it. Why? Why should we trust you?All statements claiming there was ‘no radiation’ on ground zero would be ignored from now on simply because I know that it was and I know it for sure, but those who make this kind of statements simply googled for such a ‘verifiable’ info or refer to other ‘reliable’ sources akin to the ‘NIST report’ or even the most respectable ‘Report of the 9/11 Commission’. I strongly suggest you don’t ask me about radiation anymore, but simply satisfy yourself with what is mentioned above in this regard.
Dimitri, let me level with you. It takes no more than 10 minutes to investigoogle radiation effects, dose rates, half lives of fissile materials, conversion rates from the now defunct Roentgen to the SI Gray, etc. You've gotten every single major fact about fissile materials wrong, including the decay rate, which I assume you made up. If you can't be bothered to get the facts you make up correct, it is futile to continue this discussion.All other questions are welcome providing the guidelines set above are duly observed.
Sincerely yours,
Dimitri A. Khalezov.
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