Cloning your wife or girlfriend

Cainkane1

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Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?
 
Since you blame the male, in addition to the sperm being some kind of weird, the woman's egg would have to be unusual in that it would need to retain both 'halves' of the woman's DNA. Possible?

More likely is that the dad's gene contribution closely matches the mom's other half, making a baby that, while having half the dad's genes also has all of mom's. Aren't we all only 1% different genetically? 1/2%?
 
I don't get it.

If I could make a sci-fi-low-budget-tv-style speculation about something similar it would go like this:

A woman has a medical condition causing her to produce eggs with a complete set of her own DNA in it. The egg only needs a sperm cell to signal that it is now fertilized and can develop, but the DNA in the sperm cell is discarded, since the egg DNA is already complete. Presto: Clone daughter and the beginning of a plot for House or The X Files. :o
 
Ririon said:
I don't get it.

If I could make a sci-fi-low-budget-tv-style speculation about something similar it would go like this:

A woman has a medical condition causing her to produce eggs with a complete set of her own DNA in it. The egg only needs a sperm cell to signal that it is now fertilized and can develop, but the DNA in the sperm cell is discarded, since the egg DNA is already complete. Presto: Clone daughter and the beginning of a plot for House or The X Files. :o
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Not the woman, the man. The man can only contribute a catalyst type sperm that only developes his wifes side of the DNA picture. This causes a clone like effect and only girl copies of the mother are born.
 
Show of hands..
Who wants -two- of the present s.o.?
I'll go first.
1 stretches the limit.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Not the woman, the man. The man can only contribute a catalyst type sperm that only developes his wifes side of the DNA picture. This causes a clone like effect and only girl copies of the mother are born.
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But Cain, the wife's normal egg has only half of the genetic material. Can't make a complete of any mammal with only half of the genetic material.

Go back and read post #2. Can't be a male-only anomaly.

See, eggs and sperm start out as a complete cell that splits in half, each have getting half of the nucleus, therefore half of the genes. Not enough to make a baby.

Females can make a 'clone', it's called parthenogenesis. Condition of sperm has no part, it takes a female egg anomaly. In humans it's called "virgin birth". Provable only by genetic testing, not because children look more like Mom than Dad.

ETA: That said, suppose adding a sperm to an egg with complete dna from Mom could be a needed trigger for implanting and beginning growth. But if so, any damn sperm would do.

So, it ain't Dad's anomaly, it's Mom's.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?
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Are you making arguments that human parthenogenesis is possible?

Not by anything I have heard, but sometimes siblings look very much alike and sometimes children take after one parent very strongly. Why should it be too surprising that this might happen at the same time?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Are you making arguments that human parthenogenesis is possible?

Not by anything I have heard, but sometimes siblings look very much alike and sometimes children take after one parent very strongly. Why should it be too surprising that this might happen at the same time?
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I'm not making the argument and I don't know if what I'm describing is parthenogenesis or a genetic condition that only selects girls because of some inherent characteristic in the sperm of a very few men. I recall the article saying that while it is similar to cloning it isn't exactly the same thing just something similar. I'm no scientist. I'm just posting something I read in a tabloid and I've been very clear about that. The man in question at the funeral may or may not have known what he was talking about. The article in the Nation Enquirer or whatever may not have known what they were talking about. It could even have been bull written by an author with too much time on his or her hands at the National Enquirer. Then again it might be true.
 
This sounds like the worst possible punishment for me. Two of my wife......gulp!
 
Cainkane1 said:
I'm no scientist. I'm just posting something I read in a tabloid and I've been very clear about that. The man in question at the funeral may or may not have known what he was talking about. The article in the Nation Enquirer or whatever may not have known what they were talking about. It could even have been bull written by an author with too much time on his or her hands at the National Enquirer.
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Fair enough.

I'm going to go ahead and say that it's not a real thing, and the places you heard if from were wrong, confused, misunderstood, or something else.
 
If the man has two X chromosomes, he could only get daughters (or another very unlikely case of a son with two X chromosomes). But while this is extremely rare, it does not fit this story.

Another idea is dominant/recessive genes. If the woman has a double set of dominant genes for almost all the genes that determine physical appearance, her children will look very much like her, but they will not be clones in any meaningful way. And it has very little to do with the man.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Some years ago I was reading a tabloid that said that in very rare cases a man is only able to have dublicates of his wife or female partner. His own DNA acts as a catalyst for the reproduction of his partner only.

Ok when I was at a funeral a man told me that he was one of these rare men. His wife was the sister of an old girlfriend of mine and he had two daughters at the funeral with him. The girls looked like twins but were two years apart. One seven and the other nine. Both girls were spitting images of their mother.

Anybody know anything about this?
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Better idea: clone Scarlet Johansson, and make her the girlfriend.

DR
 
The only wy this could happen, is that the geminal cell precursor for the ova did not undergo meiose, and the sperm do not contribute any genetic material but still trigger the division of the cell. Sound like SF to me. Much more probably the characteristic of the female (apparence) is either quasi identical to the X of the male, or has dominant trait over the X contributed by the male. It sound like a much more probable explanation, jsut by the law of numbers.
 
Aepervius said:
The only wy this could happen, is that the geminal cell precursor for the ova did not undergo meiose, and the sperm do not contribute any genetic material but still trigger the division of the cell. Sound like SF to me. Much more probably the characteristic of the female (apparence) is either quasi identical to the X of the male, or has dominant trait over the X contributed by the male. It sound like a much more probable explanation, jsut by the law of numbers.
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Thank you for your very civil response to my post. I wish I could find the article in national Enquirer. This article came about after Dolly the sheep made headlines. Its my guess since there has been high quality rebuttle to my post that the National Enquirer was riding on the then famouus record breaking story. It seems odd that this magazine would post something like this if it weren't true. Like I said the Mag did say it wasn't exactly cloning but something very similar to it. However after these posts i see in here its my guess they just wrote the article for reasons of their own and it has no scientific credibility.
 
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