Depleted Uranium and the United States Military

[Richard G]

I'm a hazmat technician. I have been trained by my local municipality, and recently the federal goverment on WMDs.

The symptoms of Gulf War Syndrom are dead on with exposure to chemical nerve agent, the kind army engineers destroyed in bunkers (burnt) durng the war. When they did that, the stuff was carried downwind for many miles.

With only minimal exposure (a few PPM), it will lie dormant in your system for years before manifesting any symptoms. Thats a fact regarding the agents.

Its hard to prove about the soldiers definitively, but that is my theory, as well as many Federal technician I've trained with.

All those guys aren't getting deathly sick from nothing.

 

[Bjorn]

I'm a hazmat technician. I have been trained by my local municipality, and recently the federal goverment on WMDs.

The symptoms of Gulf War Syndrom are dead on with exposure to chemical nerve agent, the kind army engineers destroyed in bunkers (burnt) durng the war. When they did that, the stuff was carried downwind for many miles.

With only minimal exposure (a few PPM), it will lie dormant in your system for years before manifesting any symptoms. Its hard to prove, but that is my theory, as well as many Federal technician I've trained with.

Did you ever read the research Luke was linking to (and I repeated)? If you did, what do you think about it?

 

[The Fool]

I'm a hazmat technician. I have been trained by my local municipality, and recently the federal goverment on WMDs.

local municipalities conduct training on WMD???

"The symptoms of Gulf War Syndrom are dead on with exposure to chemical nerve agent"
I'd like to hear more about this one...got any references?

These seems to be a "syndrome" for every war. I went thrugh the Agent orange business... Got sprayed by aircraft a couple of times and still have only one head...... I think being in a war is enough of a reason to make people unhealthy.....stress? fear? family and relationship problems ? bad temper? rage and hatred? these are the things I think are just as likely an explanation for post war ill health.

 

[American]

I personally am against the use of DU after researching its potential effects.

Here's are likely questions some might ask, should anyone ever care what you think:


A. You conducted a 12 year cohort study on the matter?

B. You typed "depleted uranium" in to Google and found a PDF brochure called ANOTHER WAR CRIME? IRAQI CITIES "HOT" WITH DEPLETED URANIUM, and believing any stupid thing you read on the internet, you are now against it?


You're an activist.

You are making a difference...

You're so smart, and everyone else is so dumb!!!

 

[Theodore Kurita]

Re: Re: Depleted Uranium and the United States Military

Here's are likely questions some might ask, should anyone ever care what you think:


A. You conducted a 12 year cohort study on the matter?

B. You typed "depleted uranium" in to Google and found a PDF brochure called ANOTHER WAR CRIME? IRAQI CITIES "HOT" WITH DEPLETED URANIUM, and believing any stupid thing you read on the internet, you are now against it?


You're an activist.

You are making a difference...

You're so smart, and everyone else is so dumb!!!

Strawman and Ad Hominem.

I looked at LukeT's article and I say after reading is that I have to agree with him.


Still, it dissapoints me that the Christian Science Monitor, a usually extremely reliable source, is publishing utter B*.

 

[Richard G]

I looked at his link briefly. It references a study of mortality rates.

Most of the men with Gulf War syndrom aren't dying, they just suffer from debilitating nerological problems.

I would post some references, but with all those chemical agent names in one posting...on the internet...I'd have the FBI knocking on my door in no time.

The Germans invented nerve agent in WW1, that will get you started. All the nasty stuff out there today is pretty much the same as it was then.

 

[Virgil]

I looked at his link briefly. It references a study of mortality rates.

Most of the men with Gulf War syndrom aren't dying, they just suffer from debilitating nerological problems.

I would post some references, but with all those chemical agent names in one posting...on the internet...I'd have the FBI knocking on my door in no time.

The Germans invented nerve agent in WW1, that will get you started. All the nasty stuff out there today is pretty much the same as it was then.

The Germans had blister agents and outright toxics but I don't think they had modern nerve agents...if I recall corectly the British (did most of the sarin and cyclosarin research ca. 1950-60).

please correct me if I'm having a senior moment.

most of the nerve agents are easy to make, just check the patents or the journals....


Virgil

 

[Luke T.]

I looked at his link briefly. It references a study of mortality rates.

Most of the men with Gulf War syndrom aren't dying, they just suffer from debilitating nerological problems.

I had a better link to a VA study when this came up a long time ago. Unfortunately, the topic seems to have been lost in the pruning, and I don't remember the link.

However, think about what you are saying. A debilitating syndrome that doesn't raise the mortality rate?

 

[Luke T.]

Another link.

The new studies report

No excess deaths among Gulf War veterans as compared to other veterans (study funded by the Department of Veterans Affairs); and

No excess in hospitalizations among Gulf War veterans as compared to other veterans (study funded by the Department of Defense).

As reported in the The New England Journal of Medicine (November 14, 1996).

 

[Luke T.]

A CDC report.

From page 6:

Published epidemiological studies of mortality rates, rates of hospitalizations, and rates of birth defects after the Gulf War have not found consistent, statistically significant differences between active-duty U.S. military personnel who were deployed to the Gulf War compared with active duty personnel who were not deployed to the Gulf, except for a higher rate of mortality from
unintentional injuries (such as automobile accidents). Further epidemiological research efforts are ongoing to track mortality, hospitalization, and reproductive outcome among groups of Gulf deployed veterans and non-deployed veterans of the same era.

 

[_Q_]

The Germans had blister agents and outright toxics but I don't think they had modern nerve agents...if I recall corectly the British (did most of the sarin and cyclosarin research ca. 1950-60).

please correct me if I'm having a senior moment.

I think that Tabun and Sarin were known to Germany in the late 1930s (came out of pesticide research).

The British came up with VX in the 1950s.