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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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You'll get no bra swapping argument from me, but I'm curious who you think the DNA of the other 3 people belong to.

I am sure if it's relevant it will be brought to the court's attention by Sollecito's lawyers. I think they're more concerned about their client's DNA found on it than anything else. As they should be.
 
You'll get no bra swapping argument from me, but I'm curious who you think the DNA of the other 3 people belong to.

My two cents says it's the other two roommates and Meredith's boyfriend. Maybe even the British friends she was with that night. While the bra swapping stuff is nonsense, asking a friend to scratch your back isn't.
 
Not to mention the anonymous nature of Yahoo! accounts makes it impossible to verify the gender of any of those on that page. I hate to sound cynical but the poser of the question sounds like a man and selected the male's answer as "best answer". Very very unusual. Highly suspect.

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ETA: I haven't laughed out loud so much on this thread as the last three pages. Any word yet on who "engaged" Dr Johnson?

More important - is there any word on Dr. J's bra size yet?

And does she swap?
 
And how would I know for certain if it was freshly laundered? Is it also common for roomates to go around sniffing each others underwear to see if it's clean?

You can't admit that your feelings about underwear are based on emotions instead of reason. Nor can you admit that others may react differently, and not have a problem with borrowing underwear. So instead of answering, you simply keep dodging the question.
 
My two cents says it's the other two roommates and Meredith's boyfriend. Maybe even the British friends she was with that night. While the bra swapping stuff is nonsense, asking a friend to scratch your back isn't.

So three people were scratching her back? That's your theory?
 
I am sure if it's relevant it will be brought to the court's attention by Sollecito's lawyers. I think they're more concerned about their client's DNA found on it than anything else. As they should be.

You can't say whether it's relevant or not yourself? Do you think it's relevant or not?
 
You can't say whether it's relevant or not yourself? Do you think it's relevant or not?

It has no bearing on the presence of RS's abundant DNA and that's why it won't be raised at his appeal.

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ETA: Are you just asking me to speculate wildly?
 
It has no bearing on the presence of RS's abundant DNA and that's why it won't be raised at his appeal.

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ETA: Are you just asking me to speculate wildly?

The DNA of 3 unknown people has no bearing? Really? Are you sure?
 
You can't admit that your feelings about underwear are based on emotions instead of reason.

Ok, let's see where you think you're going with this. Yes, my feelings about sharing underwear with someone I've known for only a few months is based on emotion (disgust). What the heck does that have to do with anything?

Nor can you admit that others may react differently, and not have a problem with borrowing underwear.

Please provide evidence that the "others" in this case (Amanda and Meredith), reacted differently than me. In fact, can you provide any evidence that they engaged in this practice, either in Italy or with any of the roomates they had in the past (or their sisters)?

You have zero to go on other than what RS's father said. Why do you continue to persue this dead end when there are other more plausable reasons for the DNA to be on the bra clasp?
 
The DNA of 3 unknown people has no bearing? Really? Are you sure?

Are you just playing a guessing game or is there a point to this? I am entirely certain that Sollecito's lawyers are fully concerned with explaining his DNA on that piece of evidence. I doubt they'll be spending time in court on whether the Taliban is resurgent in Waziristan either. That's an important issue--probably more important than the Perugia murder case--but ultimately leads nowhere.
 
So three people were scratching her back? That's your theory?

No, but you have at least six(?) other known people who were in contact with her the day of the murder. I wouldn't be suprised if the prosecution doesn't get them all DNA tested before the appeal to compare to what was found on the bra.
 
No, but you have at least six(?) other known people who were in contact with her the day of the murder. I wouldn't be suprised if the prosecution doesn't get them all DNA tested before the appeal to compare to what was found on the bra.

But you don't think the police were negligent in not doing this before?
 
But you don't think the police were negligent in not doing this before?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't. The levels of DNA fromt he 3 unknowns was MUCH lower than the levels from the two primary contributors, and as such does not indicate much contact with the bra at all.

Besides, unless RA can explain the amount and presence of his DNA on the bra, it doesn't really matter who else's is found there at much reduced levels.

It's not so much a matter of whose DNA was found, but of the relative amounts that were found. In this, I find it similar to other police investigation: If twenty-seven witnesses say the bank robber had light-colored hair, and three say he had dark hair, I don't think the police would be negligent to conclude that the robber had light colored hair.

Or, in another analogy, If a knife was found at a murder scene, and had a single half-fingerprint on it that was unidentified, and a ten fingerprints that were all from one person (who was also implicated by other evidence), when that one person had no explanation for how his prints got on the knife nor any logical or reasonable reason for them to be there, I would not consdier the police negligent to focus on that person.
 
But you don't think the police were negligent in not doing this before?

It's my understanding (but I could be wrong) that the two other roommates and Meredith's two British friends that she had dinner with that night all had airtight alibias as to where they were the night of the murder. I don't recall too much about her boyfriend except that they had only recently started dating.
 
But you don't think the police were negligent in not doing this before?

How long will this guessing game continue? Are you suggesting that each time you find a new set of irrelevant data that the investigators should test an entirely new hypothesis?

The investigators had found discarded debris outside in the yard, too, and briefly thought it was important. I believe it was something in the way of discarded syringes or pieces of fabric.

We know, too, that investigators returned to the cottage to collect more evidence than what was originally secured, including a guitar, a book, a hairdryer, and other items. In other words, they did what good detectives do.

But, you say, look at this other thing! This must be the real clue! This is the turtles-upon-turtles approach of the conspiracist. If the three DNA "clues" were relevant then they would be examined. As it is, going after these other "clues" does nothing to help Raffaele's legal defence. They are fully concerned about the abundant DNA left by their client and not by who was scratching each others' backs, swapping undergarments, or other similar guileless nonsense.
 
How long will this guessing game continue? Are you suggesting that each time you find a new set of irrelevant data that the investigators should test an entirely new hypothesis?

The investigators had found discarded debris outside in the yard, too, and briefly thought it was important. I believe it was something in the way of discarded syringes or pieces of fabric.

We know, too, that investigators returned to the cottage to collect more evidence than what was originally secured, including a guitar, a book, a hairdryer, and other items. In other words, they did what good detectives do.

But, you say, look at this other thing! This must be the real clue! This is the turtles-upon-turtles approach of the conspiracist. If the three DNA "clues" were relevant then they would be examined. As it is, going after these other "clues" does nothing to help Raffaele's legal defence. They are fully concerned about the abundant DNA left by their client and not by who was scratching each others' backs, swapping undergarments, or other similar guileless nonsense.

Right, everyone is stupid but you. Everything is irrelevant unless you say it isn't.

This statement you make in particular makes no sense: "If the three DNA "clues" were relevant then they would be examined." So basically, police are infallible, and unless they investigate a line of thinking, it's irrelevant. Interesting.
 
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Right, everyone is stupid but you. Everything is irrelevant unless you say it isn't.

This statement you make in particular makes no sense: "If the three DNA "clues" were relevant then they would be examined." So basically, police are infallible, and unless they investigate a line of thinking, it's irrelevant. Interesting.

The police/prosecution hypothesis is that abundant DNA from a murder suspect having no alibi has been found on an article of clothing cut from the victim's body, linking the suspect to the murder.

Nothing there about infallible police detectives. My version is very condensed, too. The actual evidence against RS is considerably more detailed.

Now what is your hypothesis?
 
The police/prosecution hypothesis is that abundant DNA from a murder suspect having no alibi has been found on an article of clothing cut from the victim's body, linking the suspect to the murder.

Nothing there about infallible police detectives. My version is very condensed, too. The actual evidence against RS is considerably more detailed.

Now what is your hypothesis?

Where are you getting the word abundant? How did Micheli describe this "abundant" DNA again?
 
This statement you make in particular makes no sense: "If the three DNA "clues" were relevant then they would be examined." So basically, police are infallible, and unless they investigate a line of thinking, it's irrelevant. Interesting.
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Well, I think that in the case of the other possible DNA on the clasp, Amanda's legal team wanted to dump boron on pursuing the other faint traces, because the Sollecito DNA expert suggested that one of those traces points to Amanda.

Maybe you're right. That trace could be relevant.

Interesting.
 
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