Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Nobody is stopping anyone from bringing Erhman's aguments in here and some of them probably have been brought in here. Why don't you list a few a let's take a look at them.
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I have a better idea, there are already a number of topics that have been raised by others that you have yet to address, lets get some of those out of the way first before moving on to Erhman you could start with Greenleaf. I have reviewed what you posted about him and looked into his argument. I identified a number of errors that he made in his reasoning in the application of the Ancient Document Rule to the Bible. Simon also provided a more detailed review of the rest of the document that you linked us to. To date, you have not even attempted to rebut the arguments made by Simon and myself. Based on your later posts you still believe that Greenleaf’s position is still valid.

Your silence on the matter only leaves us opportunity to speculate why.
 
Waterman said:
I have a better idea, there are already a number of topics that have been raised by others that you have yet to address, lets get some of those out of the way first before moving on to Erhman you could start with Greenleaf. I have reviewed what you posted about him and looked into his argument. I identified a number of errors that he made in his reasoning in the application of the Ancient Document Rule to the Bible. Simon also provided a more detailed review of the rest of the document that you linked us to. To date, you have not even attempted to rebut the arguments made by Simon and myself. Based on your later posts you still believe that Greenleaf’s position is still valid.

Your silence on the matter only leaves us opportunity to speculate why.
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There's no speculation needed, it's crystal clear. He's got his ears covered and just "heroically" marching on spouting his usual garbage while ignoring everything and everyone. The Black Knight is reasonable next to DOC.
 
Waterman said:
Just wow, is it your position that if we accept one item form a source as valid we have to accept it all. It doesn't matter if they are smarter than you or not.
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That's DOC's favorite argument, Waterman: "completely irrelevant authority". "Look! {Really famous/smart person} at one time claimed to be a Christian! You disagree with {really famous/smart person? So you're claiming that {really famous/smart person} was stupid? Wow, you must be lots smarter than {really famous/smart person}! After all, he's only really famous/smart!"
 
Cactus Wren said:
That's DOC's favorite argument, Waterman: "completely irrelevant authority". "Look! {Really famous/smart person} at one time claimed to be a Christian! You disagree with {really famous/smart person? So you're claiming that {really famous/smart person} was stupid? Wow, you must be lots smarter than {really famous/smart person}! After all, he's only really famous/smart!"
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I wonder why the poor old founder of monotheism is excluded from that line of thinking. DOC never shows even the slightest respect for my immortal words. Or Nimrod's either.
 
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Akhenaten said:
I could make a joke here about having a boring time hanging around the cross for easter, but I think only the Orstralians would get it.

Does it make sense on your side of the ditch, Cobber?
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Yep

But then I used to live in Darlo and then in Paddo, mate

Horstralians: everybody needs good neigh-bours
 
Remember two things tonight, in the spirit of what this time of year is all about:
1. Remember to leave out a carrot and juice.
2. Aim for the head. Zombie prevention is everybody's responsibility.

Btw...on an serious note, I've been wondering that if Dec 25 is strictly celebrated as the "birthday", not matter what day it is....why is the resurrection etc always the same days of the week and the time of year vary so much? Don't we know the date of the most important apect of christianity - and if we do know, why not celebrate the torture and execution of another human being on that date, no matter the day of the week? Of course there's that tricky problem of pre-existing traditions (after all eggs and rabbits are so christly)...and yes I've heard the timetravelling/prophetic satan excuse.
 
Myth been milked for all it's worth by commercial considerations. :D
 
That reminds me of how amusing I find it when christians complain about how the holiday that they stole off the pagans has been hijacked by commercial interests.

Poor them.

I'll take a Myer christmas over a god-bothery one any day.
 
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I like my holidays commercialized. I got a cheap TV the day after X-mas.
Maybe I can get some cheap chocolate bunnies the day after Eostre.
 
paximperium said:
I asked first.
Do YOU believe that TJ believed that the story of Jesus ended with his death?
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I don't know how Jefferson felt about the Gospel of Mark because you didn't bring in a source. But Jefferson must have surely thought Christ went to heaven. Jefferson did believe in God and it is logical to assume that he believed in heaven and hell since there were several verses in his book (of Jesus' Morals and teachings) that talk of hell. Why would he include those verses in his book if he didn't believe in hell. And at least one verse he mentions an angel, so one can conclude he believed in angels also.


Do YOU believe that your interpretation of the death of Jesus is more accurate than written by Mark?
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Even the supposed shorter version of the Gospel of Mark reports that Christ's tomb was empty. Yes I believe Christ's tomb was empty and the famous Christ's body was never found in 2000 years.

And not all scholars believe Mark didn't write the whole gospel, including the Resurrection.

Now you can answer my question: do you agree with Jefferson's opinion of the Jewish faith and morals?
 
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Simon39759 said:
Hum... That's the subject of the books?

What modern Biblical scholarship tells us about the formation of the Biblical myths and how they relate to the common stories?
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Norman Geisler, Ralph Muncaster, and Josh McDowell are modern scholars too, and they write books that say it is not a myth and give the evidence why it isn't.
 
DOC said:
Even the supposed shorter version of the Gospel of Mark reports that Christ's tomb was empty. Yes I believe Christ's tomb was empty and the famous Christ's body was never found in 2000 years.
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What do you get if you couple arbitrary male, roughly two thousand years old, near eastern skeletal remains with the assertion that these are Jesus'? :D
 
DOC said:
Norman Geisler, Ralph Muncaster, and Josh McDowell are modern scholars too, and they write books that say it is not a myth and give the evidence why it isn't.
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Um, actually no. They aren't scholars. They write nonsense.
 
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