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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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How could the source not have been her own family? They've been pimping evidence all over the world, ShuttIt. There is nothing you've read about the case that's considered confidential that wasn't sold in some form to the media by the Knox/Mellas clan.
Wasn't it Corriere Della Sera that the diary was first leaked to and Corriere Della Sera that got sued by Knox? So the theory is that they leaked it to them, didn't like what they read and then sued them for publishing the leak? It seems like a bit of a risk that the paper would be able to show where they got it, but perhaps FOA were careful. I don't see it as being beyond the bounds of possibility that someone had a friend in the police/prison/prosecutors office/whatever who had access and the paper aquired them that way.

I guess unless someone can prove that it was Mignini, or FOA who leaked it, I don't really care about the leaks. In and of themselves they are just more FUD.
 
For what it is worth: Doing a test for infectious diseases on people that are going to live for a while in a facility with shared infrastructure like showers and with the potential that the future inmate might harm or injure him or herself (and thus spread an infection) (or get harmed by other inmates...) seems like a good safety precaution for both the inmate (getting proper treatment) and everyone else in contact (wardens, nurses/doctors, other inmates).
I'm curious how long a proper (as in unambiguous) test will take. I think it should be in the best interest of both inmate and prison to get that answered as fast as possible (preventing a possible breakdown of the prisoner, being able to place the inmate).
Did I understand that correctly that Amanda was given the negative result two weeks after the possibly positive fast test?
Before I get stoned by both sides of this debate: I'm not making any judgment about the laboratory doing the actual test. They may have a hell of a workload if they serve the prison. Or they may not, it is hard to say what amount of time is reasonable in this case.
 
And it was Amanda's lawyers that were giving out her diary to the press. That's where Barbie Nadeau got her copy. And Frank Sfarzo got his from the family. It was Frank Sfarzo who published the list on Perugia Shock. Can you quote any other news article that published the list?

Your claims of conspiracies are therefore hollow.

Fulcanelli,

If Nadeau received the diary from Knox's family, then how did she get what Amanda said so wrong? Sorry, but that does not make any sense. I did not make any claims of conspiracy; your statement is likewise nonsense.

Chris
 
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Wasn't it Corriere Della Sera that the diary was first leaked to and Corriere Della Sera that got sued by Knox? So the theory is that they leaked it to them, didn't like what they read and then sued them for publishing the leak? It seems like a bit of a risk that the paper would be able to show where they got it, but perhaps FOA were careful. I don't see it as being beyond the bounds of possibility that someone had a friend in the police/prison/prosecutors office/whatever who had access and the paper aquired them that way.

I guess unless someone can prove that it was Mignini, or FOA who leaked it, I don't really care about the leaks. In and of themselves they are just more FUD.

The theory is that Sarzanini and the media corporation published excerpts without permission.
 
Fulcanelli,

If Nadeau received the diary from Knox's family, then how did she get what Amanda said so wrong? Sorry, but that does not make any sense. I did not make any claims of conspiracy; your statement is likewise nonsense.

Chris

You need to reread I what I wrote. I said Ms Nadeau got the diary from Amanda's LAWYERS, not the family. The family were instead hawking the diary around 'other' places.
 
Fulcanelli wrote:

Ms Nadeau stands by her interpretation.

She didn't present it as her interpretation. She presented it as a direct quote. Was she telling the truth?

That's your proof...it wasn't in a video?

I don't have the burden of proving a negative. Nadeau says this receipt exists. She is specific about the date, the time and the brand of the product. You say she cares only about the truth. Is she therefore telling the truth about this receipt? Is this an important piece of evidence that has been overlooked by everyone else following this case?
 
Thanks for clearing up the HIV test story all.

The wording in the documentary was a little vague - I wasn't sure if Amanda had been told a _false story_ about a positive test, or she had been told of a _false positive_ test.

The context was about the media reaction to her leaked diary entry that followed the test.
 
Trimming out the distractions, this should be simple enough for anyone to solve. But let me know if you need more.

Did you leave that folded sweater in the hall in Meredith's cottage?


Are you sure you kneed to know?


It just shows that once you get stuck on one line it's very difficult for you to shift thinking.

Maybe you should get down on one knee and pray for guidance.


Maybe you aren't praying hard enough. Do you have your head down? Take a picture and show us what you see.


Until you show penitence you will not be rewarded.
 
Please sir, I want some more . . .

Trimming out the distractions, this should be simple enough for anyone to solve. But let me know if you need more.
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I need more.

As you may have seen from other persons' posts concerning the "folded sweater", none of the readers here have been able to decipher your cryptic messages concerning what we should see upon rotating slide 17 to the left and slide 66 to the right. As you'll have seen, some of the possibilities are: clams, sinks, shoe horns ....

Please don't hold back. Your comments concerning my (our - all of the readers') capacity for observation denote that your skills are far more keenly honed than ours.
 
He's hinting it's the knees, and/or feet of the photographer, I think. If so, it's an odd angle for the photo.
 
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He's hinting it's the knees, and/or feet of the photographer, I think. If so, it's an odd angle for the photo.

And, really, I don't see what the revelation he's had means when it comes to the footprint being Raffaele's or not.

I will say, though, it's one helluva red herring he's got going on.
 
Dan O.'s Wild Goose Chase

And, really, I don't see what the revelation he's had means when it comes to the footprint being Raffaele's or not.

I will say, though, it's one helluva red herring he's got going on.

Bob, your comment reflects what most readers here think about Dan O.'s wild goose chase.

He started off in a tight spot (argument about the reasons the Supreme Court supposedly anulled Amanda's police HQ questioning because of supposed illegalities on the part of police), and used a combination of tangential "look-up-in-the-sky" rhetoric, mixed with a dose of derision, to attempt to get out.

Classic FOA manoeuvres.

See Kermit06LuminolEvidence.pps.ppt frame 17 "This looks like a folded, knitted sweater"
Look then at frame 66. Maybe your powers of observation will be enhanced and you'll also be able to then explain the bent fingers on frame 17.
This may still be too difficult of a task for you without a bit more help. Try turning the top photo left 90º and the bottom photo right 90º. If that doesn't help, maybe you should get down on one knee and pray for guidance.
Does it still look like a folded knitted sweater? Why is it then in the bath? Why does it not look at all like a folded knit sweater in the bath? Maybe you aren't praying hard enough. Do you have your head down? Take a picture and show us what you see.
Until you show penitence you will not be rewarded.
Ok, I'll give you the sink in 66 but not the sweaters in 17.
.... this should be simple enough for anyone to solve. But let me know if you need more.
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Other posters have suggested that what Dan O. sees is a sink (I was rather disappointed when he admitted in the quote above that what looks like a sink in slide 66 is actually ... a sink) , Twinkies, shoe horn, clam, Roswell alien, photographer's knees or feet ... my personal bet is a folded sweater (or towel, I'll now add) and bent fingers, although I think we all realise that whatever those objects are, and whatever may be the mysterious relationship that Dan O. has found between slide 17 and slide 66, it doesn't really matter.

Anyway, Dan O., just in case, all of us here on the thread are waiting for your own peculiar explanation of slides 17 and 66.
 
Fulcanelli wrote:

Ms Nadeau stands by her interpretation.

She didn't present it as her interpretation. She presented it as a direct quote. Was she telling the truth?

That's your proof...it wasn't in a video?

I don't have the burden of proving a negative. Nadeau says this receipt exists. She is specific about the date, the time and the brand of the product. You say she cares only about the truth. Is she therefore telling the truth about this receipt? Is this an important piece of evidence that has been overlooked by everyone else following this case?

Well, if the FOA ever publish Amanda's diary in full then we'll know, won't we? So, when's that going to happen?

Regarding the receipt I have no reason to doubt she's telling the truth. And what do you mean 'overlooked by everyone following the case'? What. do you mean everyone who's been following the case via newspaper reports, reports that don't cover every detail anyway, only those they think most relevant? In going through the judges report I am finding there's a whole host of little details that weren't reported. There's others still, that were perhaps mentioned once, somewhere obscure. And really, that's what we should really be starting to turn to for our information now...the judges' reports, rather then old media articles that did or did not contain this or that.
 
Just a little note to those interested in the forensic videos from the cottage. This may or may not be important in the scheme of things but, according to the judges report, the clock on the video camera filming the forensic technical work at the cottage was an hour fast. At least, it was in the first forensic visit to the cottage (I'll have to see if was the case for the second). Also for those interested, the first forensic run at the cottage began between 7 and 8 pm on the evening of the 2nd Nov and continued until 2 am. The examination then continued the following day.
 
Well, if the FOA ever publish Amanda's diary in full then we'll know, won't we? So, when's that going to happen?

Are you still talking about Barbie's claims that Amanda slept with seven men in Italy here? If so, you know she's wrong about that...don't you? The full list was published on PMF not long ago, and it included Amanda's American ex-boyfriend DJ. Only two of the names are obviously Italian:

Kyle
James
Ross
DJ
Ellis
Daniele
Raffaele

I'm puzzled as to why you're still suggesting the seven men could have all been in Italy, when posts on PMF make it clear that's not the case. Did you just not see them?

Regarding the receipt I have no reason to doubt she's telling the truth. And what do you mean 'overlooked by everyone following the case'? What. do you mean everyone who's been following the case via newspaper reports, reports that don't cover every detail anyway, only those they think most relevant? In going through the judges report I am finding there's a whole host of little details that weren't reported. There's others still, that were perhaps mentioned once, somewhere obscure. And really, that's what we should really be starting to turn to for our information now...the judges' reports, rather then old media articles that did or did not contain this or that.

The judge's report says nothing about bleach receipts of any description or date. This is just another detail Barbie got wrong/fabricated (like the seven pieces of flesh on the knife, long blonde hairs, etc). If there's one good thing to come out of the publication of her book, it's that it's made it very clear just how much of a BS artist she is...

I agree that the judge's report should take precedence over rumours published in gossipy books about the case, or any other source for that matter (at least as regards the details of the evidence produced in court). In terms of details about day to day proceedings in the trial, I have to say that Perugia Shock has been the best source, or so I have realized after reading the report. Certain details - such as the hair/presumed blood substance on the broken window in Filomena's room, for instance - I've only seen reported on Perugia Shock. I presumed it was wrong, but it turned up in the judge's report too. A lot of the 'little details' you mention were probably reported there; so I've found, anyway.
 
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He's hinting it's the knees, and/or feet of the photographer, I think. If so, it's an odd angle for the photo.
I think he's right, actually. The two shapes look like someone's feet or knees - my money would be on feet wearing those white shoe cover things. Not necessarily the photographer though since, as you say, it's an odd angle for a photograph. It could just be a person standing in shot (or operating a fixed camera on a tripod?).
 
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Well, I tell you what, why don't you write to Ms Nadeau and ask her? I believe she posts her contact email with some of her stories (either on The Beast or Newsweek)?

Well, really I was talking mainly about 'articles'. Books, when written by those who have attended the trial from the beginning and developed sources in Perugia and speak the language add a dimension that the the judges reports cannot (since the remit of those reports are narrow, focussing solely on the testimony and evidence). Books can also add a peripheral story about those on the edges of the case (the families, the media, further insight into some of the layers and characters that that took part in the case or gave testimony for example). Therefore they have their value, especially as this case extends far beyond just the court room. However, when it comes to the actual evidence and case against the accused, it must be judges reports that must be the focus.

Actually, the report doesn't say that about the window....indeed, it notes the 'lack' of blood/hair around it. That forms one of the reasons why it discounts an intruder entering via the window (along with many other reasons and some of those elements are new...in that they weren't reported in the media coverage leading up to or during the trial).
 
katy_did said:
The judge's report says nothing about bleach receipts of any description or date. This is just another detail Barbie got wrong/fabricated (like the seven pieces of flesh on the knife, long blonde hairs, etc). If there's one good thing to come out of the publication of her book, it's that it's made it very clear just how much of a BS artist she is...

I think that's very unfair. Understand, during the course of her work covering this case, almost from the beginning, she has built up many sources and contacts within the case. I do not as yet accept your claim that all that information is not in the report since it's proper translation has not yet been completed, but in the meantime I would suggest that if it 'is' the case these elements are not present in the report, it is terribly unfair to label Ms Nadeau a 'BS merchant', which would be leaping to the blackest assessment possible. Having followed her in her coverage for a long time I have been impressed by her desire to convey the truth and an understanding of the case to a readership that were not covered elsewhere. I reject the idea that Ms Nadeau has knowingly written falsehoods. Rather, I would suggest that that any inaccuracies are likely to have originated from one or more of her sources. As a journalist, oft times one must rely on others for information. Inevitably, especially when there is a lot of information, some of it is going to later transpire as being incorrect.

Although, I do understand your desire to take her down. Ms Nadeau has been a hate figure for the FOA and the Knox family for a long time.
 
Well, I tell you what, why don't you write to Ms Nadeau and ask her? I believe she posts her contact email with some of her stories (either on The Beast or Newsweek)?

Well, really I was talking mainly about 'articles'. Books, when written by those who have attended the trial from the beginning and developed sources in Perugia and speak the language add a dimension that the the judges reports cannot (since the remit of those reports are narrow, focussing solely on the testimony and evidence). Books can also add a peripheral story about those on the edges of the case (the families, the media, further insight into some of the layers and characters that that took part in the case or gave testimony for example). Therefore they have their value, especially as this case extends far beyond just the court room. However, when it comes to the actual evidence and case against the accused, it must be judges reports that must be the focus.

Actually, the report doesn't say that about the window....indeed, it notes the 'lack' of blood/hair around it. That forms one of the reasons why it discounts an intruder entering via the window (along with many other reasons and some of those elements are new...in that they weren't reported in the media coverage leading up to or during the trial).

Why would I bother contacting Ms Nadeau? Almost every quote I've seen from her book concerns 'facts' which are either either fabricated or twisted beyond recognition. The only thing she and I agree on is that the appeals court will throw out the knife evidence. But really, she's obviously a tabloid BS artist of the highest order. I have no need to verify it by contacting her. Come on, Fulcanelli - seven samples were taken from the knife, six negative, one positive for DNA but negative for blood. Barbie interprets that as 'seven pieces of flesh were found on the knife'. You surely can't have much respect for her accuracy?

As for the list of seven men, you were certainly implying earlier that Barbie was correct that they were all in Italy (asking for evidence to the contrary). She was wrong, as she was with so much else.

I agree that books can certainly add something to our perspective on the case. I'm particularly interested in reading Mark Waterbury's book, for example. However, when the book is as tabloid-esque as Barbie's is, and full of inaccuracies and fabrications, I think its use in that instance is pretty limited.

As for the hair/blood on the window, it was reported in Frank's blog and I think there is also a reference to it in the judge's report, though they weren't able to get a genetic result from it. I'm going on the Google translation (apologies in advance) so I'd welcome any correction if it's inaccurate:

Romanelli Filomena's room had been found in it some items. IMA training piliferous the bottom of the window frame, a substance suspected of blood sampled from the wooden box with contained broken glass. Both of these findings had provided negative genetic analysis.

'Piliferous' means 'hair' (or producing hair), which I only mention because I had to go to dictionary.com to look it up. Actually, re-reading it, I'm not quite sure what the 'wooden box' is that the report talks about. Frank's account of it, months back, was that it was hair and blood substance found on the window, which does seem to be supported from this quote.

ETA: Ah, is it the wooden shutter? Could be.
 
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