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Phelps at it again!

I hope Fred Phelps dies soon. I'm sure his funeral will be well attended and I may have to pay a visit to Kansas.
 
Arus808 said:
What? the father must have done something against the law aginast one of the protesters to be fined so high (assault?).

I always wish that the group would be arrested for inciting a riot. A riot against them.
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The father won a $5 million dollar judgement, but Phelps appealed. Phelps won on appeal and the father had to pay Phelps' legal expenses.
 
Tamarillicent said:
Was Fred actually there? I had heard that Fred himself hadn't been seen in quite a while and that there were rumors that he had, in fact, died.

I can see why the Phepls Phamily would want to keep it quiet. They can't take like they give. I think a Big Pink protest at his funeral would be (would have been) perfect.
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Careful not to lump too much. One of the Phelps Family is a member here and has talked about his struggle to escape their cult.
 
Primus said:
It never ceases to amaze me that with all the people shot dead per year in the US. No-one has managed to find a bullet with this guys name on it.
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Leaving aside the attributions, I have to bring up "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." I would hate it beyond words, but if I saw a gun pointed at Phelps pere I would hope to have the courage to step in front of it. I loathe the man, but bullets are not the solution to this problem.
 
Arus808 said:
what insane judge did that?
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What makes you think it was insane?

"Phelps is a creep" is not a valid legal reason.

If you have to ask who the judge was, I can trust that you haven't read the ruling, and so don't know what you are talking about.
 
pgwenthold said:
What makes you think it was insane?

"Phelps is a creep" is not a valid legal reason.
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I didn't say that. I do believe it, but I know its not a valid reason (so don't put words where they were not stated).

If you have to ask who the judge was, I can trust that you haven't read the ruling, and so don't know what you are talking about.
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Care to point out where this ruling is posted on the web? the ORIGINAL article posted the OP is a new summary, and stated no judge's name and that there was no reason given in the ruling.


However...


I have every right to call a judge who victimizes the victim in this case, insane (pesky that 1st amendment thing, huh?). Its like having a rape victim pay the court fees for her rapist because the conviction was over turned.

The judge didn't HAVE to make the father pay for the court fees; he had the option of just over turning and be done with the entire thing.

There was no reason given in the ruling. Just that it was over-turned and that the father was to pay the court fees for Phelps' crew. Unless you are privy to court documents that haven't been posted to the web (I dont see it anywhere in any of the 10 articles that are covering this, including several news reports this morning), could you provide what the Judge's reasoning behind over turning and making the dad pay the court fees were?

I dont mind the "over turning" part (as I see that its definitely a 1st amendment issue and that is the sole reason the court gave - however Phelps' crew takes it to the extreme - some of it borderline harrassment), its the "you have to pay the court fees" that I find wrong. And seen in the reports, the family was harassed, maligned, and slandered by the Phelp's crew; that is the reason why he brought the case forward. Is now slander a form of free speech?

Luckily,they are pushing the case to the USSC:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/3...ed-pay-protesters-court-fees/?test=latestnews


Edit:
http://www.wgal.com/video/22469574/index.html
http://www.MatthewSnyder.org
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=355406162379
 
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Arus808 said:
Care to point out where this ruling is posted on the web? the ORIGINAL article posted the OP is a new summary, and stated no judge's name and that there was no reason given in the ruling.
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The ruling is from the 4th circuit court of appeals. Google is your friend; you have no excuse asking someone else for the information you could find yourself (of course, you were being facetious in the first case, granted, but to then back it up as quoted above...). The original article stated it was an appeals court. You do know that appeals courts are all three judge panels? And why do you want it anyway?

As much as it pains me to say it, I have to agree that the 1st amendment overrides the ideal of a peaceful grief. It is too bad for our culture that there are those without the human decency to respect the latter without a law requiring it.

Mr. Snyder is not going quietly into that good night: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/3...ed-pay-protesters-court-fees/?test=latestnews

The judge didn't HAVE to make the father pay for the court fees; he had the option of just over turning and be done with the entire thing.
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Disagree. Phelps won his case; he deserves (legally, not ethically) to be returned to the place where he was before the appeal. I imagine the court has little discretion on this if Phelp's insisted.
 
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BenBurch said:
Appeals rule on the law, not the facts. Facts do not matter.
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Precisely. It doesn't matter who the parties are, why they sued, what the material facts of the case are. The appeals court rules on whether the rules of the court were followed and whether the case law was correctly applied. In this case, they ruled on the applicability of the first amendment to the law under which Phelps lost his case, and found the amendment applicable. Case closed.

No one much likes the appeals process, but it is essential to a rule of laws.
 
shadron said:
And why do you want it anyway?
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Just to see the reasoning behind making the victim pay for court fees.

Like I stated, I agree on the overturning part; I DO however would like some reasoning behind making the victim pay.


Disagree. Phelps won his case; he deserves (legally, not ethically) to be returned to the place where he was before the appeal. I imagine the court has little discretion on this if Phelp's insisted.
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this is where the court can be subjective on the ruling. There is nothing in law that requires the person who brought the case against the party in question to pay court fees if and when the case/verdict is over turned. There are numerous cases where verdicts are over turned, but the plaintiffs didn't have to "foot" the bill. Why this case? Its not like the Phelps' clan is poor . Most of the family members are practicing lawyers (so they do have jobs)

If the USSC hears it, and agrees that the ruling was over turned correctly (which I do agree on), I just hope that they see that making the father pay for the court fees was "wrong", and set that ruling aside.

What I want to see is why the 4th circuit didn't see that the actions of the WBC was somewhat slanderous against the Snyder's (imo).
 
pgwenthold said:
Good, I'm not the only one.

I was expecting another bong picture.
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Yeah, me too.

I hadn't heard of Fred Phelps before this. This website is high in the rankings when you google him: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Is it really his? It reads like satire, but I guess with the (c) Westboro Baptist Church, the apparently real schedule of protests, etc., it's on the level. Yikes. :eye-poppi
 
BenBurch said:
Sign I want to hold while picketing his funeral; "Have Fun In HELL, Fred. You'll get buggered there EVERY DAY."
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--Hello, welcome to hell!
--Damn!
--Actually, hell isn't that bad. Let me explain. Do you smoke?
--Well, yes, actually.
--You're going to love Mondays! We get to smoke cigars, cigarettes, everything, and we don't have to worry about cancer because we're already dead. Do you drink?
--Yes.
--You're going to love Tuesdays! We drink beer, wine, and liqueur, and you don't have to worry about alcoholism or liver disease because you're already dead. Do you like hot women?
--Yes.
--You're going to love Wednesdays! We get all the hot women -- lot's of them are in hell, you know -- and you don't have to worry about AIDS or unwanted pregnancies because you're already dead. Are you gay?
--Uh.... no.
--Ohhhhhh, you're going to hate Thursdays.
 
lector said:
Is it really his? It reads like satire, but I guess with the (c) Westboro Baptist Church, the apparently real schedule of protests, etc., it's on the level. Yikes. :eye-poppi
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Yes, it's him, yes, it's real, and, yes, I'll bet anything he has the western hemisphere's largest collection of gay porn stashed somewhere.
 
lector said:
Yeah, me too.

I hadn't heard of Fred Phelps before this. This website is high in the rankings when you google him: http://www.godhatesfags.com/

Is it really his? It reads like satire, but I guess with the (c) Westboro Baptist Church, the apparently real schedule of protests, etc., it's on the level. Yikes. :eye-poppi
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Oh it's real. He's the reason my wife and I joined the Patriot Guard Riders.
 
BenBurch said:
Simple; He's a lawyer. I think he wants somebody with real money to assault him so he can sue them for their fortune.
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If they assault him and all his crew with a .50 calibre machine gun, that will go under "problem solved" in the big filing cabinet.:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D:D
 
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