What Is The Soul?

David Henson said:
A superiority contest? There are JW children who know what I know, it isn't special. My being here isn't about that or to convert anyone. It isn't about faith and it isn't God's job - with or without my scholarship. It isn't God's job, its yours. Each of you. And you can't fail at it because no matter what you put into it you get exactly what you want.

The only thing you have to complain about is people getting the Bible wrong and controling your world and in the typical atheist fashion what do you do? Educate yourself and release your self from that power?

No.
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Nobody is contolling my world in an atheist manner.Are you a CT nut too?
 
dafydd said:
I have no informed opinion on invisible unicorns/leprechauns/pixies either.Why should I care about what a work of fiction says about the soul? Come up with some proof that the soul actually exists and then we can talk.
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Dude, I did that in the first post in this thread. The soul of Greek philosophy which was adopted by later Christianity probably doesn't exist, but I'm not here to talk about that except for to simply say that Christianity had adopted it and it is contrary to Biblical teaching.

The soul, according to the Bible is the blood and the life of a person or animal, and in a basic sense everything that life involves. Memories, desires, experience etc.

Do I really have to prove that these things exist? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying?
 
Foster Zygote said:
And the Odyssey is the evidence for Polyphemus.
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No, the claims that it makes are. The supernatural in the Bible isn't testable by science or any other means. So, if you took the supernatural out of the Bible you would have no reason to doubt it. You absolutely could not say that if it was written by a bunch of "bronze age goat-herders."
 
David Henson said:
A superiority contest? There are JW children who know what I know, it isn't special. My being here isn't about that or to convert anyone. It isn't about faith and it isn't God's job - with or without my scholarship. It isn't God's job, its yours. Each of you. And you can't fail at it because no matter what you put into it you get exactly what you want.

The only thing you have to complain about is people getting the Bible wrong and controling your world and in the typical atheist fashion what do you do? Educate yourself and release your self from that power?

No.
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Okay wait. Maybe I didn't see your true agenda. Are you saying that the apostate Xtians are responsible for the atheist stance ---- and that if only the atheist would properly examine the bible beyond the apostate Xtian's viral views that brainwashed US ... then we would be free from their delusions and have the opportunity to see the bible for what it is?

And if we are unwilling, it only shows that we really don't care about being under the control of the apostate Xtians ... we are merely sitting here, barking out b.s. about why the bible is wrong, and our barking is out of ignorance and laziness. Therefore, we are just as disappointing as the apostate Xtians and our lack of effort to see past their lies is what is revealing that we really don't care for the truth at all. We are our own hippocrites.

Is this essentially your synopsis of the way things are?

If it is .... you view yourself as God even more than I thought. It's not the bible you view as god, it's you.
 
so, we throw away the supernatural, and all the bits proven incorrect by science (global flood, exodus, genesis etc) and the crappy allegory bits (Jonah etc)..... what are we left with?

Women are crap, slavery is fine, then god loses his rag and kills a bunch of people......

Yeh, thanks all the same, but Ill pass.

EDIT: Its late, and yes I realise God is supernatural...... so we are left with a bunch of bad morals? Ill still pass.
 
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What about that poor brainwashed child in my post above,David? Not a nice thing do,is it? Jehova is not going to come down and put up a closed for business sign.
 
David Henson said:
Dude, I did that in the first post in this thread. The soul of Greek philosophy which was adopted by later Christianity probably doesn't exist, but I'm not here to talk about that except for to simply say that Christianity had adopted it and it is contrary to Biblical teaching.

The soul, according to the Bible is the blood and the life of a person or animal, and in a basic sense everything that life involves. Memories, desires, experience etc.

Do I really have to prove that these things exist? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying?
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We believe that blood exists,Jehova,no.
 
trentwray said:
Okay wait. Maybe I didn't see your true agenda. Are you saying that the apostate Xtians are responsible for the atheist stance ---- and that if only the atheist would properly examine the bible beyond the apostate Xtian's viral views that brainwashed US ... then we would be free from their delusions and have the opportunity to see the bible for what it is?

And if we are unwilling, it only shows that we really don't care about being under the control of the apostate Xtians ... we are merely sitting here, barking out b.s. about why the bible is wrong, and our barking is out of ignorance and laziness. Therefore, we are just as disappointing as the apostate Xtians and our lack of effort to see past their lies is what is revealing that we really don't care for the truth at all. We are our own hippocrites.

Is this essentially your synopsis of the way things are?

If it is .... you view yourself as God even more than I thought. It's not the bible you view as god, it's you.
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He does come across as an arrogant,self-satisfied git,doesn't he?
 
devnull said:
so, we throw away the supernatural, and all the bits proven incorrect by science (global flood, exodus, genesis etc) and the crappy allegory bits (Jonah etc)..... what are we left with?

Women are crap, slavery is fine, then god loses his rag and kills a bunch of people......

Yeh, thanks all the same, but Ill pass.
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Yeah just throw out the impossible parts and the stuff that can't be proven and then it's all fact. Can't you see that?
 
David Henson said:
Dude, I did that in the first post in this thread. The soul of Greek philosophy which was adopted by later Christianity probably doesn't exist, but I'm not here to talk about that except for to simply say that Christianity had adopted it and it is contrary to Biblical teaching.

The soul, according to the Bible is the blood and the life of a person or animal, and in a basic sense everything that life involves. Memories, desires, experience etc.

Do I really have to prove that these things exist? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying?
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I am paying close attention,just because the ancient Greeks talked about a soul does not mean that it exists,Which part of that sentence do you not understand? Cut out the superior attitude,it is not impressing us.
 
dafydd said:
He does come across as an arrogant,self-satisfied git,doesn't he?
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Why? Because his avatar is of Mr. Incredible typing out responses to the mediocre society before him? And because he opens threads like this:

David Henson said:
Do I really have to prove that these things exist? Are you paying attention to what I'm saying?
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David Henson said:
Wow! I have to say . . . this is the most unproductive conversation I have been in this week
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David Henson said:
don't tell me there is no evidence when I could pile evidence over your head standing up.
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David Henson said:
I'm going to try a different method than I have ever tried. I'm going to open a thread on the flood by simply asking anyone who cares to to ask me whatever they want to ask me about the flood. This could potentially save a great deal of time.
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... blessing us by "trying something different" and allowing us to speak freely, through his grace?

I'm not seeing it :) He's humble as a lark. :)
 
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David Henson said:
Oh, the evidence! Oh, yeah, we know how important the evidence is to the far superior skeptical mind of the intellectual atheist! So important!

What evidence? You want archaeological? Historical? Scientific?
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Any kind will do, yes.

The simple fact is that you believe there to be no such thing as the God of the Bible and no evidence is going to change that. Ever. So at least be intellectually honest about it.
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The simple fact is that you believe there to be such a thing as the God of the Bible and no evidence is going to change that. Ever. So at least be intellectually honest about it.

:rolleyes:

don't tell me there is no evidence when I could pile evidence over your head standing up.
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Then do so.

David Henson said:
Entertainment value, but the Bible isn't a book of fiction.
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Yes, it is.

If you knew anything about secular history you would know that it is full of fiction, even myth and legend. If you knew anything about science you would know that every new bit of science that replaces an old one has replaced and will likely be replaced by what is, in hindsight, science fiction. If you know anything about archeology you would know that it is highly subject to interpretation.
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Ad hominem tu quoque - just because other areas are flawed does not mean that the Bible is true.

David Henson said:
No, the claims that it makes are. The supernatural in the Bible isn't testable by science or any other means. So, if you took the supernatural out of the Bible you would have no reason to doubt it. You absolutely could not say that if it was written by a bunch of "bronze age goat-herders."
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:jaw-dropp

So because there's nothing supernatural in The Red Badge of Courage we have no reason to doubt that it is true? What about Forrest Gump? The Sandlot?
Also, if we took the supernatural out of the Bible, there wouldn't be much left, would there? No resurrection. No commandments. No miracles. And no god, either.
 
trentwray said:
Why? Because his avatar is of Mr. Incredible typing out responses to the mediocre society before him? And because he opens threads like this:



... blessing us by "trying something different" and allowing us to speak freely, through his grace?

I'm not seeing it :) He's humble as a lark. :)
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Reminds me of the old story about the rooster who thought that the sun rose every morning just to hear him crow.
 
Hi to everyone. According to religious philosophy, there is a big difference between the soul and the spirit, though many mix them into one. Spirit is a being created by The Most High from the flame of scorching fire (perhaps from 'plasma' in modern sense) which could be embodied or could also exist outside body. It is believed that all hot-blooded animals (birds and mammals, bipeds inclusive) possess spirit which during their live sustains otherwise unexplainable permanent temperature of their physical bodies and which departs with their death (making their physical body cold at once) and may for some time live independently, communicate with other spirits, or it may be re-embodied by entering some newly born creature of the same kind. This is also the very thing which is called "aura" in some cultures. And this is the very thing some occult speicalists are able to communicate with. The spirit is apparently mortal and can't exist for eternity - it will be physically dead one day and disassembled - in the same sense as physical bodies of other creatures that The Most High created from soil mixed with water. The soul is something different - this is the very conscience (i.e. "ability to realize" or "ability to think in a certain language") which pertain to only human beings who are: 1) elder than 2 years old, and 2) "know the difference between good and evil". So it is the very thing which developed at once in Adam and Eve once they ate the fruit of knowledge from the "forbidden tree" and at once "got their eyes OPENED (note they were simply 'opened' even before that, but not OPENED in that particular sense) and REALIZED they were naked (apparently by comparing themselves with The Most High Who was apparently dressed)". So that they got ASHAMED (to feel shame is the ability of only humans exclusively) and they made for themselves dresses from leaves (again humanistic ability to INVENT, not typical for animals which seems also having something to do with soul). The soul is apparently indestructible and is the very thing that arrives to the Final Judgment where it will be re-embodied (i.e. given a new physical body) so that the "nice guys" in the Hell will have something material to fry and to boil. If my understanding of religious philosophy does not fail me - the picture is about this.
 
David Henson said:
In an upcoming thread.
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Do it here now,why not? I won't be holding my breath,for such an intellectually superior person you appear to be unfamiliar with the concepts behind the words ''proof'' and ''evidence''. I suggest that you persuse a good dictionary before you start a new thread.What about that poor brainwashed child who ''knew'' the things that you know?
 
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