The Emerald Tablets of Thoth

Marshmallow said:
LOL



I'm not necessarily disagreeing (or even agreeing), but I think it's interesting that David Icke's claims may go further back than we thought - reptile beings disguised as humans ruling over the human race - and a few fairly strange coincidences in other "chapters". But I also realize that coincidences happen all the time and that sometimes we do see smoke without fire.

Also, doesn't Icke say that his reptilians are interdimensional?

That could be interpreted to mean that they reside in another dimension, I suppose.



I'm not claiming that I necessarily believe all of this. I'm definitely not claiming I believe this stuff was written by an ancient Atlantean or that alchemy is possible. But I remember reading that some spiritual teachers (or was it alchemists?) used to write their work claiming to be deities as it would make their work seem more valuable or important to those who read it.

Anyway, I wonder how likely it is that the reptilian conspiracy-believers read this stuff before writing their books. It's very similar to what they are saying.

ETA: I have come to the conclusion that Icke is definitely mentally ill and doesn't see reality the way most people do. Still, I want to know why this same story keeps coming up over and over. I wonder where it comes from and why it's always reptiles.
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Note that a lot of Lovecraft and Howard have this kind of stuff. Difference between them and Icky is their's are clearly fiction, Icky pretends otherwise.
 
Marshmallow said:
I know it sounds like a crazy thing to be afraid of, but I have no way of knowing that it's not true. That doesn't mean I believe it, but at the same time, I'm afraid that one day I might suddenly have a real reason to believe it. It's hard to stop my mind from going "What if?" Even though I think a lot of these conspiracy theorists are literally crazy, finding out about their conspiracy theories has kind of traumatized me.

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I think I'm becoming infamous around here for being such a scaredy cat.
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Hi Marshmallow. No, you're not a scaredy cat. I can relate to what you're going through because it was only relatively recently that I was cheering on David Icke from the stalls of the Brixton Academy and thinking everything he said was true.

Like you, I found the biggest drawback to believing in conspiracy theories is that they leave you feeling so vulnerable, to the point where you're traumatised by believing this rubbish. Becoming a skeptoid is liberating in many ways, but I am trying to be an open-minded sceptic (ifyouseewhatImean).

Now I'm on that journey where I apply the critical thinking that I apply in other areas of my life to conspiracy theories also. Like you, I still think that there is some non-physical reality and I think that science will be able explain this in good time. But that doesn't mean there's reptoids living there.

No fear my friend! :)
 
trentwray said:
I was just about to use this as an example.

Imagine yourself in ancient China sitting around a camp fire. Everyone is looking at the dinosaur bone you have found, in awe of it's size (of course they do not know what a dinosaur bone is ... only that there are those bones everywhere that occassionally turn up). The teeth on the thing are enormous. As you raise the fossil up, there are shadows cast on the ground twice the size of the fossil that is in your hand. It's teeth resemble the formidable and feared crocodile that inhabits the swamps in your village. The crocodile is no better than the snake to most people. And as you're examining it, an owl flies overhead, swooping through the night, casting it's shadow into the mix with the bone. A bad omen indeed.

Dinosaur bone. Fight/flight feeling from the nighttime. Fear of the alligator. Flying owl. Bad omen. Campfire.

The fire-breathing, flying reptile known as the dragon is born. And you are the reason it is born.

Better yet ... you are the POWER behind the dragon. Better yet, you can become a dragon yourself, like magic. Does that make you half human / half dragon? What an advantage to have in life ... especially over those who fear you and those whom you want to fear you.
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(Highlighting mine.) Except that in Chinese mythology dragons are frequently wise and often symbols of good luck.


Brainache said:
I think this is an excellent post. I know some people in the CT section have accused you of not being genuine, but I'm not one of them.
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Clarification: some people in the CT section have said they are reserving their options re: genuiness or lack thereof.
 
The Emerald TabletWP is the "truly Hermetic" one.
Those texts seem to want to cash in on that tradition without providing any evidence they are genuinely ancient. Seems more like the usual New Age rubbish.
 
God, it does sound like something Robert E Howard would dream up. Except that Howard would not take it seriously.
 
O the emerald tableth of Thoth
Get alchemetht all in a broth--
Their secretht hermetic
Are frankly pathetic
And theem made up from whole cloth.
 
Marshmallow said:
Has anyone heard of these tablets? People claim that they exist, but they don't give any physical evidence. All we have are these "translations".

These tablets are supposedly very ancient. They speak of things commonly known as New Age before the New Age movement even existed.

They speak of Serpent-headed beings disguised as humans secretly ruling the humans.
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There's an "Emerald Tablet" ascribed to Hermes Trismegistos, believed to have lived 100-200 CE in Alexandria. It doesn't say anything about serpent-headed beings however. It's just two paragraphs, usually one of 5 sentences and one of 8, and it's a metaphorical tale about the ascent and descent of consciousness between the physical and spiritual realms, which people in those days believed in. Isaac Newton's translation is online if you look on wikipedia Emerald Tablet of Hermes.

Hermes and Thoth are seen as equivalent in a lot of metaphysical systems.

Nick
 
Mesopotanian religions had stuff like this all the time in their religion. Some Jewish rabbis say that Enki the snake God who created humans was actually the snake in the garden of eden that Yahway put in his place. I personally think this is hogwash.
 
No, no. You got it wrong. It's not "reptile-headed people", it's people with reptiles IN their heads - it's the Goa'uld! Calling SG-1!!

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Enki and snakes? Lord Earth was depicted with fishscales and springs springing from his shoulders.
You may have been looking for NingishzidaWP.

 
Elizabeth I said:
(Highlighting mine.) Except that in Chinese mythology dragons are frequently wise and often symbols of good luck.
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Yes of course :). I was merely positing a hypothetical.

And I should hope they are good luck. I have a large tattoo on my back of a phoenix interlocked with a dragon ...

Accidental Martyr said:
Reminds me of a Sleestak.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Lost_(1974_TV_series)
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Me like Sleestak :). Sleestak good. Chaka bad :(
 
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GrandMasterFox said:
First lesson we were taught in film school: There is no such thing as original stories. Everything is based on something. As human beings we absorb the culture we are exposed to with or without our knowledge.
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Exactly the point I was trying to drive. The more you learn about how fiction is constructed and the patterns it uses, the more you are able discern it from facts. Hence my previous linking to tv-tropes.
You need to learn how to unsuspend your disbelief!
 
Last night I watched a bit of Galaxy Quest and it made me think of this thread.

Remember that flick? Where television transmissions of a Star Trek like TV show are picked up by aliens in space, and they take it to be historical evidence and truth. They then create their entire culture around it, thus making it real.

The idea is a common one. Fiction becomes non-fiction to those who believe in it, and they actually bring the fiction to life as much as they can, thus reinforcing the idea that it's real. "Look .... the Starship Enterprise exists. That means Star Trek was real!" Yet they forget that they built the Enterprise with their own hands, based on a TV show :)
 
Marshmallow said:
They speak of things commonly known as New Age before the New Age movement even existed.
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There was ever anything new about the new age movement. Just the same old nonsense dressed up in a new set of clothes.

Although I don't see what you think shapeshifting reptilians have to do with new age stuff. The new age was all about spirituality and feel-good stuff about universal oneness. Preferably involving crystals. Quantum ones if possible. The reptilian stuff is a completely separate bunch of conspiracy theorist nonsense, usually proclaiming plenty of doom and gloom and about as far from new age as you can get.

Marshmallow said:
I think it's interesting that David Icke's claims may go further back than we thought
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Further back than you thought, maybe. I don't think Icke has ever made an original claim, he just regurgitates any ideas he comes across, provided they're insane enough for his tastes. I quite like the comparison between him and L. Ron Hubbard - Hubbard wrote some bad sci-fi and turned it into a religion. Icke read some bad sci-fi and turned it into a religion. Hubbard at least gets points for originality.
 
Ok, my turn now ?

the oldest text purported to be from the Emerald tablets of thoth post dates 1100CE
So any talk about ancient wisdom contained in them is just that, talk, and nothing else.
Its well known (outside woo) that the entire concept of an emerald tablet full of wisdom is based on the Secretum secretorum, which is Arabic by origin, not greek, certainly not egyptian. Linking this text with a fabled God of wisdom is just a marketing ploy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretum_Secretorum
Its all bollox frankly and you should be ashamed for believing in any word in it, doing so marks you down as having no critical thinking skills whatever
Obviously you won't hear any of this from Icke or any other woo author as per usual they are relying on peoples gullibility to line their pockets
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Thats all he (thoth) wrote

I mean come on, the emerald tablet of thoth is supposed to be written on an emerald tablet the size of a small table, doesn't that ring any alarm bells ?
:D

Cainkane1 said:
Mesopotanian religions had stuff like this all the time in their religion. Some Jewish rabbis say that Enki the snake God who created humans was actually the snake in the garden of eden that Yahway put in his place. I personally think this is hogwash.
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Well yes me too, even the bit about the Rabbis, especially as Enki wasn't a snake god and as the word Eden in any mesopotamian language just means "steppe". Apart from anything else it was Enlil (proto YHWH/God of the flood) who created humanity with the help of Mami the aptly named mother Goddess and the only serpent god is Ningishzida (Enkis great nephew)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ningishzida
Snakes were regarded as beneficial in the ancient world (its scorpions who held the bad boy position) and symbols of immortality and healing, they didn't get a bad rep until after christianity came to prominence, even today they still only have a bad rep in the western world.
But please, don't stop writing pseudo history. Stuff this easy to prove wrong is a valuable teaching aid
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Which leads me to some interesting supposition (somewhat off-topic, so I can take it to another thread if it gets involved).

As you say, snakes were viewed as symbols of healing and wisdom until after Christianity. I've always suspected this was a marketing ploy on the side of the new religion (Christianity and/or Judiasm) to discredit the older, more established religions in the area (no, that snake-god you worship? He's really the evil one tricking you into damnation!). Is there any historical evidence that points towards this? I suspect it's been investigated before.
 
Hellbound said:
Is there any historical evidence that points towards this? I suspect it's been investigated before.
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lol, well theres a book you may have heard of
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0103.htm
;)

It was early church policy to demonise all previous religions as the work of Satan
Clement of Alexandria said:
"The Mysteries, then, are only old customs, empty superstitions and venerated deceptions of the Serpent in which men give themselves to initiations which are in fact non-initiations and to rituals which are devoid of religion.
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