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Yeah they do. Unless they're lazy and don't give a crap about their car or truck. Still that could apply to anyone. So it really isn't a lulzy thing to argue about. So I will say that we both have a point, because many people still drive around with Kerry bumpers.

On second thought we are both right. Many people don't remove them, but me and my friends (liberal, conservative and other) will make fun of them.

I've got a friend who uses old Democrat stickers to hide the rust on his car's quarter panels. I can agree with keeping Kerry stickers on for that reason. Kind of a Democrat symbolism thing: hiding rot and failure behind cheesy grins of the John Johns. Especially that Edwards douchebag. Ick.
 
I've got a friend who uses old Democrat stickers to hide the rust on his car's quarter panels. I can agree with keeping Kerry stickers on for that reason. Kind of a Democrat symbolism thing: hiding rot and failure behind cheesy grins of the John Johns. Especially that Edwards douchebag. Ick.

And I have a friend who uses fairy dust to fly, but in the real world we are both making (rule 10) up.
 
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And I have a friend who uses fairy dust to fly, but in the real world we are both making (rule 10) up.

Yeah, according to Cheech and Chong, Santa Claus uses the same fairy dust. But, Democrat, just like Santa doesn't really exist (no, really!), neither does that fairy dust or Anthropogenic Global Warming.

That AGW thing was just an aside. No need to derail the topic. ;)
 
Like, something that needs to be treated with thorazine? :D

Gee, I was hoping you'd compliment my new Avatar. I got it just for you, sweetie!

Eagleton got help for his mental problems. Rummy, the Shrub, Gonz and Yoo did not.

But then, you can't really fix stupid anyway.

Point is, Eagleton has nothing to do with what we were discussing.
 
I don't agree with Bush on much but the guy liberated Iraq and Afghanistan, put Iran and North Korea on notice, forced Gaddafi to come clean over his secret nuke program and opened up the debate on democracy in the Middle East.

Obama could use a little Bush in his foreign policy. He seems to think that being hard on Israel will get Iran and Syria to give up terror and jihad, which is like believing that being hard on South Korea will encourage the North to give up communism. I don't know, maybe he's got a card up his sleeve he can't reveal yet but that's what it looks like.

The hate for Bush is so rabid that nobody is willing to acknowledge the good he's done. Not surprising, the typical leftist/anti-war protest consisted of people comparing him to Hitler and calling for his murder.
 
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I don't agree with Bush on much but the guy liberated Iraq and Afghanistan,
Both of those countries are still occupied by foreign powers with questionably elected representatives. The problems in those countries have not be solved, they have been exchanged. The long term may tell different.

put Iran and North Korea on notice,
Standard practice for a US President for quite a long time. Continuing a vague policy with no net change in the reality on the ground is not exactly laudable. It is not horrendous either.
forced Gaddafi to come clean over his secret nuke program
Not familiar with this claim. If true this sounds a reasonable accomplishment to speak of.
and opened up the debate on democracy in the Middle East.
Again standard practice. This is more an expectation of the POTUS than a laudable achievement. Once debates provide more a more conrete peace or solution that President will receive accolades.

Obama could use a little Bush in his foreign policy.
I disagree. I think his open approach to reconcilliation and recognizing our own wrongs as we chastise others for theirs is the way forward. I think he needs a little more Bush in his leadership towards the COTUS. Especially within his party.
He seems to think that being hard on Israel will get Iran and Syria to give up terror and jihad,
I disagree with your assesment. I think he believes if you point out abuse regardless of the source it strengthens credibility and the ability to convince Palestinians we are not an enemy and sincerely want peace.
which is like believing that being hard on South Korea will encourage the North to give up communism.
Not a comparable situation.
I don't know, maybe he's got a card up his sleeve he can't reveal yet but that's what it looks like.
Again I disagree. I think it looks like he is taking the long measured and difficult approach rather than expecting he can play a magical trump to solve the situation.

The hate for Bush is so rabid that nobody is willing to acknowledge the good he's done.
Incorrect, Bush did quite a bit of positive work with African aide. The problem for us Liberals is that he did nothing worthy, but that what he did poorly or disgracefuly at greatly overshadowed the unworthy.
Not surprising, the typical leftist/anti-war protest consisted of people comparing him to Hitler and calling for his murder.
The Hitler comparisons were pretty common. I disagreed with many of them. The death threats were few and far between. Credible ones tended to be turned over to the authorities. In my city during his presidency there was quite a bit of internal disruption over the issue of such things. Shouting impeach Bush was a common slogan, but shouting assassinate Bush usually led to the organizers kicking people out of private protests or involving police in public protests.
 
It damn well did. Fosters is the worst "beer" ever to have come out of Australia. Most places here don't even stock it anymore.

But it's the only can I know of that can "beer can" a turkey.
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Both of those countries are still occupied by foreign powers with questionably elected representatives. The problems in those countries have not be solved, they have been exchanged. The long term may tell different.

Those foreign powers provide security. In the case of Iraq the US military was there at the behest of the new Iraqi government and now has handed over most responsibility for security to Iraqi police and security forces. The elections in Iraq were free and fair.

Afghanistan held dodgy elections because the UN, as usual, put in a piss-poor effort in overseeing them. They turned a blind eye to corruption and fraud and fired the whistleblower, an American, when he called them out.

Both countries have big problems. Many of those problems are due to the previous regimes. Both were liberated because there was no hope under Taliban rule or Baath rule. Now there is hope.

Standard practice for a US President for quite a long time. Continuing a vague policy with no net change in the reality on the ground is not exactly laudable. It is not horrendous either.

I'm saying that uprooting what was probably the world's most vile dictatorship and building a democracy on its ruins sent a message to the rest of the one-party, totalitarian world that we mean business and you better watch yourself. It sent a message that they can't hide behind the UN's incompetence and impotence forever.

Not familiar with this claim. If true this sounds a reasonable accomplishment to speak of.

Qaddafi surrendered his stockpile to Bush and Blair. Not the UN. It sits in a facility in Tennessee. He came clean about stuff we didn't even know about. He gave information that led us to AQ Khan's network and it was exposed and shut down. In my opinion he saw that playing shell games like Saddam Hussein did pose a dangerous risk and he decided it wasn't worth it.

Again standard practice. This is more an expectation of the POTUS than a laudable achievement. Once debates provide more a more conrete peace or solution that President will receive accolades.

But look what happened after the fall of Saddam. You had the outbreak of opposition to the phony elections in Iran and the demand for real ones. You had the Cedar revolution in Lebanon. Local elections in Saudi Arabia. (highly controlled but consider what you're working with here.)

Several liberal Arab commentators say this was due to the shock-waves of democracy from Iraq.

I disagree. I think his open approach to reconcilliation and recognizing our own wrongs as we chastise others for theirs is the way forward. I think he needs a little more Bush in his leadership towards the COTUS. Especially within his party.

But when it comes to Iran, Syria and their proxy armies I don't think they're going to say "America isn't so bad. Maybe we can lay off the Death-to-America chants for a while." They're too deeply invested in an ideology that they're not going to give up by America pretending to be their friend any more than North Korea will give up Communism if America pretends to be their friend.

I disagree with your assesment. I think he believes if you point out abuse regardless of the source it strengthens credibility and the ability to convince Palestinians we are not an enemy and sincerely want peace. Not a comparable situation. Again I disagree. I think it looks like he is taking the long measured and difficult approach rather than expecting he can play a magical trump to solve the situation.

See above.

Incorrect, Bush did quite a bit of positive work with African aide. The problem for us Liberals is that he did nothing worthy, but that what he did poorly or disgracefuly at greatly overshadowed the unworthy. The Hitler comparisons were pretty common. I disagreed with many of them. The death threats were few and far between. Credible ones tended to be turned over to the authorities. In my city during his presidency there was quite a bit of internal disruption over the issue of such things. Shouting impeach Bush was a common slogan, but shouting assassinate Bush usually led to the organizers kicking people out of private protests or involving police in public protests.

Overthrew Saddam Hussein and brought democracy to a country that could only dream of it a few years ago. That's an accomplishment in my book. Especially when there was widespread pressure within the administration and without to ignore the issue with Saddam. Bush originally ran as an isolationist and rejected liberal intervention and nation building. I'm glad Tony Blair, who knew Saddam was the elephant in the room, was able to bring him round.

Regarding the Death-to-Bush crowd. I don't personally think they were harboring plots to kill Bush. But I do think they believed he deserved to be killed. If they really think he was the "world's largest terrorist" then death would be the least of what he'd deserve. I'm just showing how there was real fascism and terror out there, yet there were no calls for death to Saddam, or calls for democracy in Iraq, or calls for solidarity with the Iraqi Kurds. It was all kill Bush, hang Bush, Bush is a Nazi, Bush is Bin Laden. It all just goes to show how shallow the perspective of the anti-war, anti-Bush movement was. But this is part of a larger problem with the left who gave up their principles for a murky relativism and moral equivalence.

Pics of death to Bush banners:
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621
 
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Religion.

Opposition to gay marriage.

"The jury is out" on evolution.

"The jury is out" on climate change.

Satisfied?
 
Religion.

Opposition to gay marriage.

"The jury is out" on evolution.

"The jury is out" on climate change.

Satisfied?
more than satisfied....

I was actually referring to things he has done as POTUS. rather than what football team he supports or his favourite colour etc....
 

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