9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[9/11-investigator]

Ah, so you disagree with Saggy, it was starvation that made them skeletal.

No, the main cause of deaths in the camps was illness, first of all typhus and weakness, nothing else. The food rations were small but still enough to prevent starvation with this as the typical result:

http://www.henrymakow.com/gruner.jpg

More than enough to have 60 years of energy to tell lies and win a Nobelprice as a result of it.

But I do enjoy the notion that Germans would gladly have fed the people in their camps, but just didn't have the food. But strangely all the Germans working in those areas were well-fed. In fact, there were no famines in Germany, even as the allies bombed and drove the monstrous Nazis back.

Most Germans were not well fed. Superbrain dudalb just made a fool of himself by posting basically an article about food rationing as a proof that the holocaust happened. Even dr. Mengele was on rationed food. Well fed? Give me a break.

There were famines in Europe, however, like this one, largely caused by German blockades and infrastructure destruction:

Baloney, Germany hardly destroyed infrastructure in Europe, we can safely leave that job to the Anglo's when the Jews sends them once again to some war against their own (Anglo) interest.

This was linked earlier, and I'm sure you'll just ignore it a second time. Much easier to be a moronic racist in the intellectual dark, but it does relate to your assertion. Notice that the album does not show suffering Germans, even days before the end, yet that camp was filled with starving Jews:

http://www.ushmm.org/research/collections/highlights/auschwitz/

I posted these pictures myself first! Of course the Nazis kept the best food for themselves at the end of the war. But earlier the Schwitz' was a modern labour camp with facilities outcompeting anything present day hell hole Detroit has to offer: health care, library, sport facilities, brothel, theather, music hall, swimming pool, you name it.

Compare that with how Soviets and Americans treated German POW's; they starved them to death.

Probably a million German soldiers were deliberately starved to death by the Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-James-Bacque/dp/1551681919

"The first edition of this controversial book caused an international scandal by claiming that almost one million German prisoners of war had died of starvation in American and French death camps after World War II. In 1992, Bacque visited the newly-opened KGB archives where he discovered more evidence to support his claim. This revised edition of Other Losses presents all the relevant new material on the deaths plus new evidence of the suppression of truth by Western academics, press, and governments."

 

[Nonpareil]

No, the main cause of deaths in the camps was illness, first of all typhus and weakness, nothing else. The food rations were small but still enough to prevent starvation

Again, you are ignoring all the pictures of starving prisoners.

Most Germans were not well fed. Superbrain dudalb just made a fool of himself by posting basically an article about food rationing as a proof that the holocaust happened. Even dr. Mengele was on rationed food. Well fed? Give me a break.

Yet they didn't starve to death in droves.
The food rationing system also does not necessarily mean that they were not well-fed. Or did you not know that food rationing is not exactly uncommon during times of war? The US adopted a similar system during World War II. No one starved.

Baloney, Germany hardly destroyed infrastructure in Europe, we can safely leave that job to the Anglo's when the Jews sends them once again to some war against their own (Anglo) interest.

This is totally off-topic and has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

I posted these pictures myself first!

And it's incredible that you yourself didn't realize how idiotic this was. Those very pictures destroy your own case.

Of course the Nazis kept the best food for themselves at the end of the war.

Then you admit that they let the prisoners starve.

But earlier the Schwitz' was a modern labour camp with facilities outcompeting anything present day hell hole Detroit has to offer: health care, library, sport facilities, brothel, theather, music hall, swimming pool, you name it.

No. I have debunked all this before. Why do you persist in lying?

Compare that with how Soviets and Americans treated German POW's; they starved them to death.

Irrelevant. Stop trying to derail the thread.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It seems logical that the American President would recognise the Soviet Union if they were exchanging workers and technology. It also seems a logical step to "end overt USA contribution" to the white Russians.

I can only guess that 1933 was the year Hitler formed his dictatorship and the USA government was looking towards new allies at this time.

Translation: Matthew opines that already in 1933 Roosevelt knew a holocaust was going to happen caused by the Germans. Just as a safety precaution Rosie decided to team up with the Soviets as a sort of precaution.

Very wise move of Rosie!

The fact that the Soviets had slaughtered millions before 1933 themselves is a mere detail in the eyes of Matthew. Nothing worth discussing really. After all they are just worthless Christian Goyim, so who cares, right Matthew? Just walk on, nothing to be seen. Just as long as the evil Germans get punished. That's what counts. After all they gassed millions in death camps. The Soviets themselves said so!

 

[Nick Terry]

No, the main cause of deaths in the camps was illness, first of all typhus and weakness, nothing else. The food rations were small but still enough to prevent starvation with this as the typical result:

http://www.henrymakow.com/gruner.jpg

More than enough to have 60 years of energy to tell lies and win a Nobelprice as a result of it.



Most Germans were not well fed. Superbrain dudalb just made a fool of himself by posting basically an article about food rationing as a proof that the holocaust happened. Even dr. Mengele was on rationed food. Well fed? Give me a break.



Baloney, Germany hardly destroyed infrastructure in Europe, we can safely leave that job to the Anglo's when the Jews sends them once again to some war against their own (Anglo) interest.



I posted these pictures myself first! Of course the Nazis kept the best food for themselves at the end of the war. But earlier the Schwitz' was a modern labour camp with facilities outcompeting anything present day hell hole Detroit has to offer: health care, library, sport facilities, brothel, theather, music hall, swimming pool, you name it.

Compare that with how Soviets and Americans treated German POW's; they starved them to death.

Probably a million German soldiers were deliberately starved to death by the Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-James-Bacque/dp/1551681919

"The first edition of this controversial book caused an international scandal by claiming that almost one million German prisoners of war had died of starvation in American and French death camps after World War II. In 1992, Bacque visited the newly-opened KGB archives where he discovered more evidence to support his claim. This revised edition of Other Losses presents all the relevant new material on the deaths plus new evidence of the suppression of truth by Western academics, press, and governments."

Yawn, not the debunked Bacque nonsense. Interesting how the Dutch spambot ignores the copious evidence that his Nazi heroes had in fact starved 3 million Soviet POWs to death in 1941-2.

As even denier guru Carlo Mattogno concedes 130,000 deaths at Auschwitz, perhaps the Dutch spambot needs to take up his 'Auschwitz was a holiday camp' nonsense with denier gurus. If one denier says something and another denier says another thing that contradicts what the first denier said, there is no reason for any outsider to get involved, except to point and laugh at how the pair of idiot deniers cannot agree with each other.

 

[TSR]

No, the main cause of deaths in the camps was illness, first of all typhus and weakness, nothing else.

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Funny, that's not what the death books tell us.

Of course, they only covered registered inmates. You *can* tell us what happened to ~400K Hungarian Jews documented to have been sent to Auschwitz but never registered nor documented as having proceeded from Auschwitz to anywhere else?
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Baloney, Germany hardly destroyed infrastructure in Europe, we can safely leave that job to the Anglo's when the Jews sends them once again to some war against their own (Anglo) interest.

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Not familiar with the Nero Decree, huh?
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It is a mistake to think that transport and communication facilities, industrial establishments and supply depots, which have not been destroyed, or have only been temporarily put out of action, can be used again for our own ends when the lost territory has been recovered. The enemy will leave us nothing but scorched earth when he withdraws, without paying the slightest regard to the population. I therefore order:
1) All military transport and communication facilities, industrial establishments and supply depots, as well as anything else of value within Reich territory, which could in any way be used by the enemy immediately or within the foreseeable future for the prosecution of the war, will be destroyed.

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But earlier the Schwitz' was a modern labour camp with facilities outcompeting anything present day hell hole Detroit has to offer: health care, library, sport facilities, brothel, theather, music hall, swimming pool, you name it.

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And, of course, you can document that other than clinics manned by other inmates, any of these were available to inmates in Birkenau, right?
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Compare that with how Soviets and Americans treated German POW's; they starved them to death.

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You misspelled "reduced their rations to that which the average German non-combatant was allowed at the time."

HTH
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Probably a million German soldiers were deliberately starved to death by the Americans.

http://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-James-Bacque/dp/1551681919

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The novelist Bacque? The novelist who, according to *real* historians:
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misused / misread documents, ignored contrary evidence, employed a statistical methodology that is hopelessly compromised, made no attempt to see the evidence he has gathered in relation to the broader situation, made no attempt to perform any comparative context, put words into the mouths of the subjects of his oral history, ignores a readily available and absolutely critical source that decisively dealt with his central accusation

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That's seriously the best you can do?
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[9/11-investigator]

As even denier guru Carlo Mattogno concedes 130,000 deaths at Auschwitz, perhaps the Dutch spambot needs to take up his 'Auschwitz was a holiday camp' nonsense with denier gurus.

Nobody says Auschwitz was a 'holiday camp'. It was a modern (slave) labour camp with horrible deteriorating conditions at the end of the war.

That figure of 130,000 is the one produced by Bad Arolson, is it not?

Why would we doubt what the Red Cross can come up with?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Funny, that's not what the death books tell us.

So, what do the death books tell us, edelachtbare?

Of course, they only covered registered inmates. You *can* tell us what happened to ~400K Hungarian Jews documented to have been sent to Auschwitz but never registered nor documented as having proceeded from Auschwitz to anywhere else?

Well since they were not registered they probably were dispersed to factories all over Germany.

You are not going to tell me that the Germans were able to 'process' 400K Jews in a matter of 6 weeks, right?

Aerial photos prove that nothing of the sort happened.

http://www.air-photo.com/index.php

I mean 400K, that is a big city. And according to you they were all housed in Birkenau and killed and disposed off. 400K in 40 days, 10,000 a day. 1 hour cremation per corps, that's 25 hours per day --> 400 ovens. Now really!

There is no limit to the perversity of your imagination!

Why would they gas usefull labour force if they had their children fighting Bolsheviks, Americans and the like?

 

[Nonpareil]

Well since they were not registered they probably were dispersed to factories all over Germany.

And why does no one come forth and say that they were among those dispersed? Why have none of their descendants come forth? Where are the records of their arrival?

You are not going to tell me that the Germans were able to 'process' 400K Jews in a matter of 6 weeks, right?

Who said six weeks?
In any case, the Auschwitz crematoria were capable of disposing of roughly 4,756 bodies per day (source).

Aerial photos prove that nothing of the sort happened.

You'll excuse me if I call bull**** on your source.

Why would they gas usefull labour force if they had their children fighting Bolsheviks, Americans and the like?

They gassed those that couldn't work. At least do some basic research before you make a fool of yourself.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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Your link says "authorship unknown." How is it that lying so transparently is supposed to help your cause?
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I have to admit that I missed that. Not that it matters in any way.
The site was maintained by a free speech marter named Luke O'Farrell. He is now in jail for writing, ummm posting, articles like this.

But I guess it is not problematic for you folks to throw people in jail who say things the powerfull do not like, just like in the good ol' Soviet Union.

 

[Pikachu]

This Luke O'Farrell?
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=237

What a charming young man. What a credible source.

 

[TSR]

I have to admit that I missed that. Not that it matters in any way.

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No, not unless one is concerned with actually posting the *truth*
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The site was maintained by a free speech marter named Luke O'Farrell. He is now in jail for writing, ummm posting, articles like this.

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And your proof of this is ... ?
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But I guess it is not problematic for you folks to throw people in jail who say things the powerfull do not like, just like in the good ol' Soviet Union.

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And like many of the guesses you pretend are real, you are wrong. But let's get back to your endorsement of that novelist: what do you have to say about what *real* historians have written about his fiction?
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[Pikachu]

O'Farrell & his friend were convicted by a jury. In this country that means by the first 12 people off the jury list - No jury selection here.

 

[9/11-investigator]

But let's get back to your endorsement of that novelist: what do you have to say about what *real* historians have written about his fiction?

You mean real historians like Churchill?
I already gave you his opinion.

 

[TSR]

You mean real historians like Churchill?
I already gave you his opinion.

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No, Churchill was a politician. I meant historians like Gunter Bischoff or Stephen Ambrose.

Care to address their criticisms of Bacque's garbage?
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[9/11-investigator]

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No, Churchill was a politician.

http://www.amazon.com/History-English-Speaking-Peoples-Churchill-Winston/dp/0880294272

 

[9/11-investigator]

Care to address their criticisms of Bacque's garbage?

If I were like you guys I would accuse you of 'anti-canadianism'.
I am glad I am not like that.

This Canadian historian wrote another book on the same topic in 2007:

http://www.amazon.com/Crimes-Mercies-Civilians-Occupation-1944-1950/dp/0889225672

More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War - one quarter of the country was annexed, and about fifteen million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Western governments continue to conceal and deny these deaths.


He had more than enough time to think about possible criticism he must have received on his first book:

http://www.amazon.com/Other-Losses-James-Bacque/dp/1551681919/ref=pd_sim_b_3

He obviously did not retract his points.

 

[dudalb]

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No, Churchill was a politician. I meant historians like Gunter Bischoff or Stephen Ambrose.

Care to address their criticisms of Bacque's garbage?
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I have to disagree with you there. Churchill had considerable skills as a Historian.
His biography of Marlborough and his History Of the English Speaking peoples are very good books.
And although his autobiographical books are, of course, slanted in his favor, there are still excellent .

 

[Moss]

Argument from Churchill seems to be a common play from neo-nachos and coconut deniers. Must be a reaction of "wtf, pwnd?!" when it comes to Churchill. Strange obsession that.
Still a derail and not relevant to the topic of the thread.

 

[Nonpareil]

More than nine million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after the Second World War - one quarter of the country was annexed, and about fifteen million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Western governments continue to conceal and deny these deaths.

It. Does not. Matter.

Reported for yet another derail attempt.

 

[TSR]

Care to address their criticisms of Bacque's garbage?

He had more than enough time to think about possible criticism he must have received on his first book:

He obviously did not retract his points.

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And you obviously can't address the valid criticisms of his fiction.
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